Homosexuality and surplus value

Charles Brown CharlesB at SPAMCNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us
Mon Dec 4 12:42:48 MST 2000

With respect to class analysis of this issue, seems to me Sultans were part of the
ruling class.

Was ancient Greek male sex with young boys a special practice of the Greek ruling
class ?


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Sure there were sexual preferences like homosexual/heterosexual in the
pre-capitalist social relations.  So what if not? People were asexual before
capitalism then? Only capitalism made us as we sexually are?  In the Ottoman
empire, many Sultans were known to be developing homosexual relations not simply
as a _sexual act_ in the sense of ass fucking, but also for pleasure, eroticism,
(gay love etc..) in the sense of  developing_homosexual identity_. There were
self identified gays among Sultans. They were heavily repressed by the religious
authorities of the palace who were concerned with the pro-creation abilities of
Sultans. Homosexuality was considered to be an _unnatural thing_ because it was
believed to go  against the _divine order of things_. Gay sultans, _seen_ as
lacking the _capacity_ to fuck women, were constituting a major threat to the
continuation of the sultane institution based on male lineage. Property
relations built upon  male privilege/palace aristocracy were at stake there, and
homosexuality had to be controlled to protect this privilege.  That under modern
times gay oppression became  more modernized due to science, capitalism, nation
state, etc.. does not mean that oppression of homosexuality did not exist before


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