God & Bhaskar
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gyanananda at SPAM123india.com
Thu Dec 21 13:23:38 MST 2000
This to thanks Mr Gary MacLennan for good review who
ask for reply. I say my comments below and try to
relate it to Marxism. I do not know who Bhaskar is
but name look as if from India?
>Bhaskar's God would seem to be one of infinite
>patience. He or She or It has created a species of
> essentially god-like creatures (you and
>me!) who one day through the process of
> reincarnations will learn this
>truth and then shall rejoin the absolute.
>There is no hell here or ever
>lasting punishment. It is never too late.
This philosophy very old and come from philosophy
of Vedas, Upanishads and Vedanta of India. It is
not idealist philsophy (in Western sense) but actually
come from Yogic practice of thousands years. The name
for God in Vedanta is Brahma or Sat-chit-ananda (infinite existence, infinite
bliss). Brahma exist in all living and non living
thing, but in human being Brahma manifestation is
most. And diffrent human being has also different
level of manifestation of Brahma. Human being who
has lot of desire and greed (for money, sex, etc),
impure human being (corrupted by desire), manifestation
of Brahma is low. But in human being who conquer
desire (free of desire), i.e. in human being who
is selfless, who devote his life to serve other,
in this pure human being, Brahma manifestation is
Capitalist class and their political representatives
have main desire in life of accumulation of capital
- these low class of corrupted human being who
suffer from ignorance - very low manifestation of
Brahma. But proletariat class who live from day to
day and capital accumulation is not driving force
of life. This class and leaders (Marx, Lenin, Mao)
is higher class of human being. Also in history,
pure humnan being like Krishna, Buddha, Christ, who
dedicate life to other people welfare. In all of
this category - high manifestation of Brahma. This
class of humans are real communist.
>In the mean time we live lives of deep alienations
>and splits. We are divided from our souls and
>from the totality that is the universe. Our
>lives are shrouded in ignorance, and reality
> is hidden from us by the veil
>of ideology. To discover the truth and to be free
>we have only (!) to recognise our true natures
>as partially divine beings. Freedom then like
>Brecht's version of communism becomes "the
>simple thing so hard to achieve".
The ultimate goal of existence is absolute freedom.
First step toward freedom is liberation from class
oppression - goal of Marxism. After this, goal of
religion is to pierce veil of Maya (illusion,
ignorance, apparent many sidedeness worldly phenomena
and distraction, etc) and realise ultimate essence
of unity in reality - Brahma who reside within. This
second step possible only in advance socialist society
for most human being. Main thing in second step is
conquer of all wordly desire because they distract
and so mind cannot focus/meditate on Brahma. Wordly
desire ultimately cause attachment to things - bondage
- unfreedom - lead to misery. This as Vedanta say is
real cause of misery. To seek absolute freedom,
absolute happiness (freedom from cycle of birth
and death), to gain immortality for Atman (soul in
Upanishads, Brahma of Vedanta), one must renounce
worldy desire as first step toward freedom. Because
desire cause attachment, slavery.
There are different paths of Yoga for doing this.
Bhakti (devotion), Karma (selfless work or work
without attachment), Gyana (knowldege), and
Raja (meditation). In India where religion was
practiced as science, all these paths are investigated
for thousands years, that is from emprical
investigation. So they do not come from idealism
in Western sense. All these paths are for realisation
of Brahma - essential oneness or unity of our
universe. Please note meaning of word "yoga" is
All such path very difficult for
most human being today under capitalism. Only very
advanced human beings (yogis)have realise ultimate
essence of reality (Brahma) after very hard practice.
Most fail and many become false prophet and mislead
people and make money. But such mis-religion do not
represent real religion like revisionism is not
Marxism. The goal of true religion is to realise potential divinity that reside within
all scripture, idol worship, etc, are secondary
detail (Swami Vivekananda, nineteen century
>There are of course serious political
>implications for such a philosophy. If we
>regard everyone as being essentially godlike
>then everyone is capable of redemption. This
>it seems to me leads automatically
>to the politics of unconditional love,
>non-violence and Ghandism.
Only very advanced human being like Christ, Buddha,
people who have gone beyond class,
is capble of unconditional love. (Gandhi not
belong to this category - he support violence on
some occasion). Only very rich man can give away
his wealth, only very powerful person can preach
and practise non violence or non-resistance to
evil. But most of us in class society, it is our duty
to resist evil and opression. In Mahabharat, Krishna
(incarnation of God) ask Arjun to pick up his bow
and arrow and fight evil and not act like coward.
That was Arjun's duty (karma) at that
moment of time. (Dialogue between Krishna and
Arjun in Bhagwad Gita)
>Some have argued that calls for unconditional
>love indicate an unwillingness to fight that
>which should be fought. There are even some
>on the Left who have argued for what might be
>called the necessity of hatred.
As before, time for practicing unconditional love
is not now for most of us - material basis
for practicing such love not exist in class
society. First material base for such practice have
to be create by resistance to evil & class oppresion.
Only in advance socialist society can such love
be practice. Proletrait have to fight - no other
way toward liberation. But again have to fight with
non attachment - this very difficult.
Very big difference between red and white guard
in Russia and China. Violence of white guard extreme
and cruel. But main goal of red side is not violence,
not oppression but liberation. So their behaviour
very different from white guard.
>FEW is nothing less than the announcement
>of the achievement of oneness.
Oneness (Brahma) can only be obtain by extremely hard
yoga practice over lifetime.
>The books argues that despite all the evidence
>that humanity will learn that somehow somewhere
> the splits and divisions that have produced
>the awful happenings that we see all around us
>will be brought to an end. Humanity will learn
>non-attachment and will be reconciled with the
Same message of true Hinduism (Vedas, Upanishads,
Vedanta). Adwaita Vedanta say universe is one,
non dualistic. But superfically, universe appear
dualistic (splits, division, many phneomena).
Dwaita mean two, Adwaiyta mean one.
>Blavatsky, Olcott, Besant and Leadbetter would
>find much in this book that they could identify
>with in that it preaches the essential unity of
>all religions and attempts a reconciliation
>betweeen western philosophy and Eastern mysticism.
Ramkrishna said all seperate paths (religions) lead
to the same pond. But water (Brahma) in the pond is the
same. From Western viewpoint, eastern religion is
mysticism. But from Indian viewpoint, it is not
mysticism. As said before, relgion in India was
practice as science. Read Patanjali's Yoga sutras
which give exact steps in meditation including
description of various stages. There is 3 realms:
unconscious, conscious, supersconcious states. Most
people in middle stage - conscious when we can percieve
gross phenomena. This is domain of western science.
But in superconscious state, subtle pehnomena can
be percieved. Western science cannot yet penetrate
this domain. So different method necessary to enter
superconcious state - method of Raja Yoga. And anyone
can practice this kind of yoga and test for themself.
So no such thing as mysticism when looked from this
>In DPF the Bhaskarian ontology was broadened
> to include absence. Here in Few that notion
>is extended to a definition of God as Nothing
But Brahma (God) cannot be defined, Brahma have to
be experienced, have to be realised. Those very few
yogis who have reach the ultimate stage of medidation:
nirvikalpa (seedless) samadhi, when final distinction
between subject (I) and object (universe) vanish or
disappear, when ego (I) is finally anhilated (goal
of yoga), they say that experience cannot be describe
in human language. Brahma is indescribable, is
infinite, is beyond human reason, human intellect.
It is infinite stillness where all waves of
conciousness have been supressed totally. Ramkrishna
said that the bee hums while searching for nectar but
fall silent when she find honey. Same with human
realisation of Brahma who is immeasurable,
undescribable. The finite cannot measure the
infinite (see also writing of physicist David
>Here the soul has been reincarnated as a Hindu >philosopher and teacher (guru). This
>begins to sketch out a plan for the
>renewal of Indian philosophy. This philosophy
>of renewal will have a horizontal and a
>vertical dimension. The horizontal takes in
>an orientation to the social and the natural
>world. The vertical dimension
extends towards unity with the soul.
Indian philosophy (actually philosophical practice
since philsophy in India was not idealism, writing
whatever come to the mind) do not need renewal
at present time. Please do not confuse true Hinduism
with what came later corruption like caste system
of Manu. Caste system is social institution, not
religious. Genuine Hinduism is the religion of the
Vedas, Upanishads, Vedanta.
>On the cross Christ's arms extend to embrace
>all humanity, while his agonised
>questioning and ultimate acceptance of his
>destiny asserts the personal or vertical dimension.
Very noble thought. Christ was very pure and advanced
human being, a great yogi.
>Whatever the case I would like to
>close this review with an appeal for an
>openness of response.
Yes, we need openess and genouristy of mind. Open
the window so fresh sweet breeze can enter. And remove
>With its spirituality and commitment to changing
>the evils of the world, FEW shows us a way beyond
>the sterility and inflexibility of contemporary
>Marxism. With its stress on the essential unity
>of all religions FEW attempts to lead us beyond
>the scandalous sectarianism of established
>religions. I wish both the book and the author
>well in their quest.
Yes, good words. Genuine Marxism and genuine
religion are not enemies but complementry. Because
goal of both is human liberation in different
dimensions. Ultimate aim of all religion is same -
absolute freedom (freedom from laws of necessity
also). Established relgions are not genuine today,
they are corruption like revisionism is corruption
of Marxism. Today very little common between message
of Christ and Christianity. Sectarianism come
from ignorance, from Maya. Goal of true religion is
to seek unity, oneness in universe.
I humbly suggest you read works of Swami Vivekananda
(collected works 9 vols). This will give you an
abstract of true Hinduism. Some of his writing are
available in internet. Swami speaks with eloquence,
boldness and vision, it will inspire you in many
ways. His message is that of ancient India, a great
(and today poor and oppressed) country which has
given the world great spiritual treasures and also
many great men and women. Avoid modern day so
called religious gurus and tricksters - most of them
are charlattan whose intention is money and who serve
ruling capitalist class. The real message of India
(e.g., Buddha)is seek liberation by renouncing 'I'
and serving your fellow man and woman 'You'. India
has always put 'you' over 'I' as contrast with
capitalist west whose message is reverse. This philo-
sophy is today still practiced in India by masses
although ruling class is trying to reverse this
philosphy. That is one reason why capitalism can
never be strongly establish in India because
capitalist philosophy and culture ('I') will encounter
resistance from ancient Indian philosphy and
culture of ('you'). Indian marxists have made very
big mistake regarding approach to religion in India.
Religion cannot be eliminated from India since it
is in very fabric of the nation, it is its life.
I conclude with word of Vivekananda (died at age
of 39 in 1904): "I am for socialism not because it
is a perfect system but because half a loaf is
better than no bread".
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