The Pope, the international debt and the 1st. of May

Julio Fernández Baraibar julfb at
Wed May 3 00:13:38 MDT 2000

Ok. I wanted to begin a discussion and I get it.

But my main statement persists: we have had two and only two important and
massive movilizations in this International Workers Day: Fidel's and Pope's.

Of course my simpathy is in the prodigious, titanic struggle of Fidel and
the cuban people. It is right what Nestor said about my pleasure when Fidel
claimed in the front of El Papal self about Galileo. It was the voice of the
free men during 500 years against the obscurantism, the Revelation and the
coincidence of Reason and Faith, that Fidel, with an exceptional clarity and
mood, exposed in the face of the representant of centuries of superstition,
of ignorance and justification of every reactionary moment of human history.

I tried to state a political question. Against my will, my conviction and my
taste, the most advanced forces of the worker class in my country prepares
itself to fight against imperialism with the figure of this fucking Pope,
the same who gave Polen to Germany, the same who obtained an strategical
victory over "comunism", but at the same time, the same who, however, quoted
Karl Marx texts in order to question the "real capitalism". The
superstructural influence of the Church in Argentina is very strong. The
forces of the future are armed, indeed, with the ideological weapons of the
past. It would be very easy to condemn them from an ideological point of
view. If we condemned them by this, we, may be, would be right but we would
be also absolutely sterile. It is in this reality that revolutionaries must
find the way to the exit. It is not easy, but the revolutionaries must feel
in the core of people as a fish in the sea.

With all the reservations of the case, a part of the argentinian Catholic
Church mantains the claim of the workers. And they, the worker's leaders
feel that the Pope arguments help to their struggle. Gray is every theory
but green is the lifes's tree, as Faust says somewhere. Human being tries to
make shorter the way. Our obligation is not to declare from outside the
correct way, but to go together in the experience and try to learn together
from the experience. IMHO this is the duty of a marxist:

"In what relation do the Communists stand to the proletarians as a whole?
The Communists do not form a separate party opposed to the other
working-class parties.

They have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a

They do not set up any sectarian principles of their own, by which to shape
and mold the proletarian movement.

The Communists are distinguished from the other working-class parties by
this only:

(1) In the national struggles of the proletarians of the different
countries, they point out and bring to the front the common interests of the
entire proletariat, independently of all nationality.

(2) In the various stages of development which the struggle of the working
class against the bourgeoisie has to pass through, they always and
everywhere represent the interests of the movement as a whole".

As everybody knows that M and E stated in 1848.

Julio F. B.

> I fully agree with Julio P. in that
> >    I think the proper attitude of Communists towards El Papa and all
> > Christian critics of the New World Order was best xemplified by Fidel
> > when he hosted John Paul:First, explain the reasons why the peoples of
> > "Our America" have felt antipathy towards the Church; eg, Fidel
> > mentioned the racism of the Jesuits in Cuba, and the Church's silence
> > on the genocide of the Indians.
> He said something more. He made a defense of Giordano Bruno, or
> Gallilei. I remember Julio FB's savagely demoniac myrth at this
> brilliant setting of accounts! Yes, Fidel was the speaker for half a
> millenium of struggle against the Church (on BOTH sides of the
> Atlantic), at the same time that he established a tactical agreement
> with the Pope.
> Second, highlight the way the teachings
> > of the Church SEEMINGLY contradict everything capitalism stands for.
> And force the Church to take their conclusions to the end...
> > Third, while as atheists we can never reconcile our world views, that
> > is no reason for lack of political collaboration.Let's not try to
> > convert each other but fight against the common enemy.Fourth, a
> > socialist state must promote secularism (The Cuban Constitution even
> > condemns "obscurantism"), but not necesarily atheism.Any historical
> > materialist knows religion will fade away.
> What's more: every dialectical materialist knows that there is a
> truth behind religious trascendence, which is the existence of a
> human community that has been catapulted to the ghostly realm of
> Godliness, and that this truth cannot be recognized by capitalism.
> Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
> gorojovsky at

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