hillbily at SPAMintergate.ca
Sun Nov 19 17:16:18 MST 2000
Louis Proyect wrote:
>Because growth and social progress under capitalism is limited, so some
>explanation is required. It's notable that the European countries who have
>been the strongest advocates of anti-global warming measures have the
>weakest growth, while their strongest opponent, the US, is the fastest
>This is all wrong. The European countries tend to be more environmentally
aware because there are powerful social democratic parties and trade unions
that give lip-service and more to green issues. The German Greens and
Social Democratic Party have been engaged with such issues since the early
1970s, from opposing nuclear power plants to reducing traffic in the inner
city. All this was taking place when European economic growth was much
more vigorous than in the United States.
>In any case, the government that has taken the most powerful stand against
global warming is just south of Florida and is certainly dedicated to
growth and social progress.
Would Fidel be singing a different song if it weren't for the embargo?
Cuba also happens to be the world's greatest practitioner of organic
agriculture (i.e.: the "greening of Cuba")--because of the embargo. Is
he not just latching on to a convenient argument for denouncing the
evils of the North, rightly or wrongly?
As for European countries and their more enlightened stance on
environmental issues (a peculiar obsession of greens in North America,
to go on about the wonderful Europeans). Marxists are generally pretty
adept at pointing out the reasons why bourgeois governments resort to
Keynesian, social democratic, liberal, etc social and economic policies.
Could similar class strategies be behind European posturing over
environmental issues, such as slowing down the growth of their American
betters? The question is: why is there less resistance to environmental
issues in some countries than in others? Why are Green parties more
successful in Europe than in America? Is it because Europeans are more
enlightened or is there economic self-interest at the root of it?
Environmentalism is as big in Canada as anywhere else in the world, but
is way behind Europe in terms of achieving political power. That's
because the Canadian economy, unlike that of the EU, is heavily
dependent on resource extraction and export. The barrier to
environmentalist political power in Canada, which is less tangible in
Europe, is purely economic.
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