Rain and 1916

Gary Maclennan g.maclennan at SPAMqut.edu.au
Mon Nov 20 23:50:41 MST 2000



David,

Connolly and Larkin found the Irish Citizens Army during the great strike
of 1913.  It was the world's very first Red army.  So there!

regards

Gary



At 19:21 21/11/00 -1000, you wrote:
>David Welch writes:
>
> >The Irish revolutionaries of 1916 may indeed have been petty-bourgeois but
> >they were fighting (in part) for the liberation of Irish peasants from
> >subsistence agriculture.
>
>
>David, I actually agree with you on the anti-GM stuff.  However, the
>revolutionaries of 1916 - both the workers' militia (the Irish Citizen
>Army) and the revolutionary nationalists (Irish Volunteers) - were not
>petty-bourgeois.  1916 was an overwhelmingly working class revolt.  Most of
>the Easter Proclamation signatories - ie apart from Connolly - were
>petty-bourgeois in a sociological sense, but they were revolutionaries
>whose class sympathies were clearly with the working class.  All of them,
>for instance, had suported the working class during the great industrial
>struggle against the Dublin nationalist bourgeoisie in 1913.
>
>Give me (the 'middle class' revolutionary nationalist) Padraic Pearse over
>the gas-and-water socialists any day.
>
>In fact, all the republican rebellions in Ireland have been lower-order
>rebellions, right since Wolfe Tone, the founder of republicanism, declared
>as early as the 1790s that only the people of no property would/could carry
>through the struggle.
>
>And yes, as a modernising movement, republicanism always sought to liberate
>the peasantry from subsistence agriculture.  Connolly himself was an
>advocate, by the way, of land nationalisation, seeing no future in even
>small-scale peasant farming, although I think he was somewhat mistaken
>there - given that Irish peasants had suffered and died for possession of a
>bit of land, it would have made no sense to try to nationalise land after a
>successful revolution.  Better to go for a mixture of some state farms and
>some sub-division of remaining large estates to land-hungry peasants.
>
>Lord Melchett, on the other hand, sounds like one of those aristocratic
>'reactionary socialists' demounced by Marx and Engels in a section of the
>'Communist Manifesto'.
>
>Cheers,
>Phil








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