the role of forced labor

Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky Gorojovsky at
Sat Nov 25 16:55:36 MST 2000

En relación a Re: the role of forced labor,
el 25 Nov 00, a las 13:12, snedeker dijo:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky <Gorojovsky at>
> To: <marxism at>
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 12:49 PM
> Subject: Re: the role of forced labor
> > En relación a the role of forced labor,
> > el 25 Nov 00, a las 12:16, snedeker dijo:
> >
> > "I don't think that we should get hung up on the concept of waged labor.
> various
> > forms of forced labor have existed along side of wage labor. this is still
> the case
> > in the world economy. Marx does not solve this problem with his
> discussion of
> > capitalism in England. it is true that he stresses the role of wage labor.
> perhaps
> > he was not fully aware of the role forced labor played in the accumulation
> of
> > capital."
> >
> > The importance of wage labor is that it is the expression of the
> transformation of
> > human energy into a commodity "like anything else".
> sugar was also a commodity when it was produced by slaves. the plantation
> owner calculated profit like any good capitalist. later, he would rely on
> wage labor or indentured labor.  labor.

You are not grasping the kernel of the issue, most probably because I was not clear.
Even Ancient slavery implied a full grown market, the market for slaves at the very
least. What makes capitalism different from any other mode of production is not that
any goods or services that are ultimately used to produce human producers (that is
what the whole mode of production is about, production of _people_ of a certain kind
and in a certain quantity, and not of "commodities"!) are commodities, but that the
particular ability of human beings becomes a commodity that cannot be sold with the
owner, but must be leased or rented. The consequences of this are essential, and we
cannot understand capitalism if we do not understand it as against all the remaining
host of modes of production, none of which weparates the producer from its means of
autoproduction in the way capitalism needs to.
> >
> >
> > Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
> > gorojovsky at
> >

Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
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