To Vanessa was RE: Forwarded from Nestor

Mario Jose de Lima mjlima at
Sat Apr 7 18:17:54 MDT 2001


I am firmly believing that the objective of Vanessa is accurately to find
who answers its messages and nothing more. Thus it will find itself
collating the marxist thought and the marxists

Thus, any effort to answer to it is a useless, idle exercise


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary MacLennan" <g.maclennan at>
To: <marxism at>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 8:21 PM
Subject: To Vanessa was RE: Forwarded from Nestor

> At 04:27  7/04/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Vanessa DD wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > And nobody has yet told me why they think Marxist ideas from the 19th
> > > century are applicable today, which is what I've been subtly asking
for a
> > > while. I just didn't think I needed to state it SO OBVIOUSLY.
> > >
> Vanessa,
> I have refrained from joining in this because I am firmly in the let a
> thousand flowers bloom camp.  But do you have any idea of how boring it is
> for us to be subjected to this kind of smart-ass 'why haven't you
> the world to me?' rhetoric?  We all or most of us work for a living.  On
> this list are some of the most brilliant men and women I have read. We are
> the objects of abuse everyday in our working lives.
> The American comrades especially are very brave to be even on this list.
> For example this morning's post from Andy on the Zapatistas was very
> important and made good reading. It was also in the best traditions of
> Marxist writing IMHO. You simply cannot get this kind of information in
> Australia from the mainstream media.
> Carroll is quite correct in what he has posted to you.  For what it is
> worth I will throw in my piece as well. Vanessa you strike me as being
> of your own uniqueness.  The sad reality is that you and your ilk have
> mass produced by the system.
> If you really want to change the world then you will stick around and
> learn.  If your trajectory is to the left then we will be
> comrades.  However if you are looking for an excuse to move to the right
> then please do so quickly and let us get on with our work.
> regards
> Gary

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