Re Wallerstein

Xxxx Xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx at xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Sat Apr 28 13:57:02 MDT 2001


Hi Magnus..


> >The special nordic model of the welfare state among other things have
> >*universal* welfare goods. That means that everybody are entitled to the
> >same health care / child support / pension rights / maternity leave. In the
> >EU they to a larger extent have these forms of welfare according to labour
> >and employment, which means that only those employed get pension rights,
> >for example. Do you think it is moralistic to fight for universal welfare
> >rights?

of course not.. although I am not quite sure if in the nordic
model  everybody benefits _equally_ from "universal welfare goods". after
all, globalization must be downsizing the state and increasing class
divisions. I would, however, stress that the nordic model has been
relatively more successful in terms of subjecting the ruling classes to the
kind of material concessions you mention above (pension right, child
support, health care). Although I prefer a socialist welfare state to a
nordic one, your model is still preferable to US free market capitalism.
what are historical reasons for the success of nordic model from a class
perspective? and how is this changing recently?


> >The question of EU / not-EU is not a question of, directly, socialism vs
> >capitalism. It is, amongst others, a fight against the European
> >super-state. It is against a common European fiscal policy dictated by
> >Germany.

Sure. I am quite uninformed about Scandinavian politics. who are the folks
in the struggle against Germany dictated EU in Norway ? what is their
specific policy agenda? I am asking to see _if _nordic social
democracy/socialism is converging or diverging with its continental and
British variants?


cheers, Xxxx


>Magnus Bernhardsen

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Xxxx Xxxxx Xxxxxx
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SUNY at Albany
Nelson A. Rockefeller College
Department of Political Science
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