inevitability

George Snedeker snedeker at SPAMconcentric.net
Mon Jan 1 19:49:37 MST 2001


Charles,

I would not call for cutting back on the quotations from Karl or Fred. I
rather like the quotes. I simply think that we should be a little more
flexible in the interpretation of their words. you can find evolutionary and
non evolutionary arguments in their analysis of the historical process. just
think of the great quote about humans making history, but not under
circumstances  of their choosing. what exactly is meant here by
"circumstances?"
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Brown <CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us>
To: <marxism at lists.panix.com>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: inevitability


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> Charls,
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> it seems to me that we do not get very far always refering back to quotes
> from Marx and Engels. for every quote one person finds to justify an idea,
> someone else can find two that refute the first. which quotations are the
> real Marxism. this is my primary problem with your method of argument.
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> CB: I don't agree with you. I have not seen anyone find two to quotes to
refute the one we are discussing. Anyway , I am not about to pay any
attention to the implication of your statement that we cut back on quoting
Engels and Marx. On a "Marxism" list one ought to be able to do that (!).
Some of the other lists might have moderators who will censor Marx and
Engels. Maybe, you know..
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles Brown <CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us>
> To: <marxism at lists.panix.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 9:06 PM
> Subject: Re: inevitability
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> > >>> j.bendien at wolmail.nl 12/30/00 04:54PM >>>
> > Charles, I know what I wrote, and what you wrote. I realise that the
> > Stalinist world view can be propped up with selective quotation from
Marx,
> > and it is precisely in the nature of the Stalinist mind to do that.
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> > CB: No , it is just that you didn't remember or realize that what you
were
> calling a Stalinist idea was not a Stalinist idea , but an idea of Marx
and
> Engels. So, you can't cover up that in using "Stalinist" as a sort of knee
> jerk and namecalling way to through dirt on an idea, you inadvertently
> called a fundamental and famous Marxist idea a Stalinist idea, which is
sort
> of plagerism for Stalin, since he didn't originate the idea, but merely
> repeated it. It is not an issue of propping up Stalin's ideas but your
> realizing that you disgree with Marx and Engels on the issue being
> discussed: the "inevitability of the transition from capitalism to
> socialism. Forget Stalin, and deal with Marx and Engels
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