CharlesB at SPAMCNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us
Tue Jan 2 05:56:16 MST 2001
>>> j.bendien at wolmail.nl 01/01/01 09:53PM >>>
You are wrong my friend. What I addressed was a Stalinist idea.
CB: You probably are more familiar with Stalinist ideas than I am. I read mostly
Engels, Marx, Lenin for my source on Marxism and socialism.
raised was an idea from Marx and Engels. the idea which you raised from
Marx and Engels may be true or may be not true. From my point of view it is
rhetorical; it may have some propagandistic value for some people, but it
doesn't convince me.
CB: Doesn't convince you of what ? What do you get out of _The Manifesto of the
Communist Party_ ? Anything ?
At 09:06 PM 1/1/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >>> j.bendien at wolmail.nl 12/30/00 04:54PM >>>
>Charles, I know what I wrote, and what you wrote. I realise that the
>Stalinist world view can be propped up with selective quotation from Marx,
>and it is precisely in the nature of the Stalinist mind to do that.
>CB: No , it is just that you didn't remember or realize that what you were
>calling a Stalinist idea was not a Stalinist idea , but an idea of Marx
>and Engels. So, you can't cover up that in using "Stalinist" as a sort of
>knee jerk and namecalling way to through dirt on an idea, you
>inadvertently called a fundamental and famous Marxist idea a Stalinist
>idea, which is sort of plagerism for Stalin, since he didn't originate the
>idea, but merely repeated it. It is not an issue of propping up Stalin's
>ideas but your realizing that you disgree with Marx and Engels on the
>issue being discussed: the "inevitability of the transition from
>capitalism to socialism. Forget Stalin, and deal with Marx and Engels
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