Forwarded from Jurriann (reply to Mine)

Colin colin at
Thu Mar 1 15:26:16 MST 2001

I just don't agree with the characterisation of Alan and Andrew that has
been forthcoming on this list. I haven't replied to this before as I've
been occupied with vicious warfare on another list....

I went to a conference on Value theory, they
organised at Greenwich university in London last year which was very good.
There have been some interesting points made in this debate so far but some
of the conclusions have been slightly confusing. Marxist value theory has
to relate to society as a whole of course. Freeman and Kliman propound a
theory that can eventually fit into such a wider theory. Why is it
important? Put it this way, academic discussion isn't alien to Marxism and
should always be challenged where possible. Of course, you can finish up
your own arse if you don't link it to the real world. That is the
challenge. While I might not necessarily agree with everything Alan and
Andrew say in political terms, they do rise to  it. The challenge that is.

> From: Louis Proyect <lnp3 at>
> To: marxism at
> Subject: Forwarded from Jurriann (reply to Mine)
> Date: Thursday, March 01, 2001 5:23 PM
> In reply to Mine who wrote:
> "My problem with TSS people is that they are in the
> secterian habit of claiming to be the _original_ interpreters of Marx,
> accusing serious Marxist economists for reading Marx under the influence
> Ricardo".
> Well maybe Alan Freeman or Andrew Kliman have a propensity for rhetorical

> theatricality, but I don't think this applies to all TSS people. In some
> respects the TSS account of the equalisation of the rate of profit is
> original.  If more people read Marx under the influence of Ricardo rather

> than (let's say) Samuelson, a better Marxism would result. There are
> actually quite a few neo-Ricardian socialists around, which is not in
> itself a bad thing, except their focus tends to be exclusively on the
> (re)distribution of income (a classic social-democratic theme) and
> production relations disappear from their economic analysis. Despite
> resemblances Marx's project is really different from Ricardo's. In his
> Capital Marx doesn't simply ask "what forces regulate a market economy"
> seeks to analyse social relations of production, class conflict and
> economic ideology.
> Regards
> Jurriaan
> Louis Proyect
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