Net site draws 'sick' messages

Marta Russell ap888 at
Wed Sep 19 10:57:05 MDT 2001

Hey Lou -- you said this beautifully.  Cudos to you.

Lou Paulsen wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Lause <lause at>
> To: marxism at <marxism at>
> Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Net site draws 'sick' messages
> >These were sick, twisted, and psychotic mass murderers when they were
> allies of
> >sick, twisted and psychotic CIA vermin.  I don't see how they become less
> sick,
> >twisted and psychotic when they whacked about 5,000 American working people
> in the
> >WTC alone.
> >
> >If you take issue with calling that sick, twisted and psychotic, I wonder
> if you
> >think anything is sick, twisted and psychotic.
> Mark,
> 1) please calm down.
> 2) If you are convinced that the hijacks were organized by Afghan
> mujahedeen, if that's what you mean by "these" and "they", you have
> more/different information than anyone else on this list, and different
> information from the FBI, which is talking about Egyptian Islamic Jihad most
> recently (which is not to say that you can believe anything the FBI says).
> And if you aren't, then you have no basis for saying that "they" (the
> perpetrators of the WTC attacks) were ever CIA assets.
> 3) Marta's point, which is QUITE CORRECT, is that when we talk about our
> enemies as "sick" and "psychotic", we are using the language in a very
> strange and really bad way.  SICK people should be cared for compassionately
> and given appropriate medical care.  Is that how you think of CIA agents and
> right-wing terrorists?  Do you think that Timothy McVeigh should have been
> cared for compassionately?  PSYCHOTIC people (assuming you accept mainstream
> psychiatric dogma on the point) are affected by one of several kinds of
> biological disorder.  They also deserve compassion and understanding.  Some
> people with mental disorders take medication to reduce their symptoms.  The
> disease of schizophrenia is commonly grouped with the psychoses.  At least
> one member of WWP that I know of is taking medication for schizophrenia.
> What you are really trying to do is to be as insulting as possible toward
> the perpetrators of the WTC disaster, and to say that they are really evil
> and you really hate them.  But Marta is right to point out that when we use
> words like "sick" and "psychotic" as all-purpose synonyms for "evil" or
> "reactionary", and insult reactionaries by likening them to people with
> certain illnesses, who moreover are very much stigmatized and oppressed in
> this society,  this is just not correct.  You may think this is splitting
> hairs, but if you had any friends or relatives with mental/neurological
> illnesses, you would see the point a lot better.
> 4) In any case I don't think it's terribly productive to deal with the WTC
> attacks, the bombing of Hiroshima, the Sabra and Shattila massacres, the
> sanctions on Iraq, and other such acts of large scale violence by looking at
> the states of mental/emotional/neurochemical health of the individual people
> who planned them or carried them out.
> Lou Paulsen
> Chicago
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Marta Russell
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