Net site draws 'sick' messages

Carrol Cox cbcox at
Wed Sep 19 12:35:06 MDT 2001

Mark, you should back off on this. I usually agree with your posts, but
Marta's points are solid here. I have several friends with psychotic
symptoms, stemming from schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, schizoid
affective disorder, and even in one or two cases from 'simple' clinical
depression. Not one of them is in the least violent. (Even as a medical
term, "psychotic" as a description  of a _person_ as opposed to a
person' _symptoms_ is seriously misleading.) They talk quite rationally
of the voices they hear, and what the voices usually tell them is "you
are worthless," so while voices can trigger suicide they very rarely
trigger violence against others. Those who are actually sick (and not
"sick") are well aware of their illness, suffer from it, and strive to
control it.


Marta Russell wrote:
> You are conflating illness with rational acts.  Murderers commit
> murder every day who are not "insane,"  nor are they ill.  The CIA is
> a rational operation composed of hundreds of workers who carry out US
> policy.  WORKERS carry out the CIA's plans.
> None of them are sick.  They are not diagnosed with any condition.
> Being psychotic is a very specific diagnosis which none of these
> people warrant.  Further the vast majority of psychotics are not murderers.
> If you cannot see that describing the terrorists and the CIA as "sick"
> is irrational and lazily convenient  then there is nothing else I can
> tell you.
> Marta
> Mark Lause wrote:
> >
> > These were sick, twisted, and psychotic mass murderers when they were allies of
> > sick, twisted and psychotic CIA vermin.  I don't see how they become less sick,
> > twisted and psychotic when they whacked about 5,000 American working people in the
> > WTC alone.
> >
> > If you take issue with calling that sick, twisted and psychotic, I wonder if you
> > think anything is sick, twisted and psychotic.
> >
> > Solidarity,
> > Lause
> >
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> Marta Russell
> author, Los Angeles, CA
> Beyond Ramps: Disability at the End of the Social Contract
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