More on Socialist energy / environment measures (Defense of Mark)
james.irldaly at ntlworld.com
Tue Dec 3 09:36:17 MST 2002
[About the Irish famine, which the Indian famine expert Amartya Sen says was
the worst in history in proportion to the population]
*Kay, again you are over-reacting and not putting this into context*.
To suggest that *a system, no matter how idealistic, will need to make
choices*, is tsimply o put reality into the discussion. Mark posed
*sacrifice*[murder of whole populations -- please answer, why call it
sacrifice?] as an "hypothetical," but such extreme possibities are important
consider, and, *in fact are part of actual decisions being made [under
of Nepalese were displaced to create a reserve to ensure the survival of the
rhinos and tigers in Nepal. How many of them might have actually died
because of it?* [The same kind of thing is scheduled to happen under
*To suggest that "socialism" would not be faced with difficult choices [e.g.
genocide?] is to
put your head in the sand*.
> So the future is a choice between barbarism and
> barbarism since it seems unlikely that the "transition
> away from the petroleate society" is going to happen
> in the next few weeks?
That may be the case, but *I don't think it makes sense or moves the
discussion forward to blame the messenger*, [a messenger who makes difficult
decisions?] **now does it?**[patronising condescension]
> Kay replies:
> I wonder how you can build viable parties and/or
> coalitions without some vision of what future we are
> fighting for.
I think a future in which the planet survives is a good one. *I don't think
it hurts to scare the shit out of people. It's a good motivator*.
[Advocacy of blatant manipulation.]
[Say Jose were the messenger?]
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