Questions for Jim Craven

kay mckinnon jmckinnonus at
Wed Feb 6 12:26:58 MST 2002

> Welcome back Jim! I see you've recovered from
> whatever it was that drove
> you away. Does this mean you're ready to defend your
> dualistic belief
> system now?
> Loved your story about your daughter. Does she know
> you're an
> ethnocentric bigot who doesn't care about "inbred
> Mennonites"? Does she
> know that the use of derogatory gender-based
> epithets such as "shrew" is
> an indictable offense in Canada? Btw, just exactly
> why do you believe you
> are immune from prosecution? Have your dead
> ancestors been giving you
> advice from The Other Side? If so, you need to
> contact a smarter bunch of
> dead ancestors; this crew is a bunch of losers.
> Loved your post about Ward Churchill's suggestion
> that some of the folks
> in the Twin Towers might have been "little
> Eichmanns". Oddly enough, when
> Joan Cameron made a similar observation, you called
> her all sorts of
> nasty names. So, what makes it ok for Churchill, but
> not Cameron, to make
> such a suggestion? Is it because she's an
> uneducated, poor white trash,
> little cumshuwa? This wouldn't be more of your
> ethnocentric bigotry,
> would it?
> Btw, Leon Trotsky had a similar view about what he
> called a layer of
> parasitic proletariats. These two quotes are from
> the reviews of
> Heidegger and Nietzsche:
>    6. The young Leon Trotsky wrote a perceptive
> essay on Nietzsche in
>    the same year that the latter died. Trotsky
> writes that Nietzsche's
>    philosophy has a particular appeal to what he
> describes as a
>    parasitic proletariat, a social layer arising
> within capitalism
>    which is more privileged than the mere
> lumpenproletariat. In
>    particular, Trotsky writes, Nietzsche's
> philosophy of the
>    ubermensch, is particularity well suited to
> justify the ideology of
>    such persons as: "financial adventurers, stock
> market speculators
>    and unscrupulous politicians and press
> manipulators". Trotsky's
>    article is published in Cahiers de Leon Trotsky,
> vol. 1, edited by
>    Pierre Broue.
> And further:
>    Drawing out the philosophical method of the
> opposition, Trotsky
>    concludes his concise elaboration of dialectics
> with the following
>    warning: "Dialectic logic expresses the laws of
> motion in
>    contemporary scientific thought. The struggle
> against materialist
>    dialectics on the contrary expresses a distant
> past, conservatism
>    of the petit bourgeoisie, the self-conceit of
> university routinists
>    and ... a spark of hope for an after-life." (Leon
> Trotsky, In
>    Defence of Marxism).
> So, Jimbo, was Leon Trotsky also a "narcissistic
> shrew" and "an Ayn Rand
> cultist"?
> Here's the heart of the matter, sweetie. You see,
> Marxists already have
> their own brand of spiritualism: it's called
> dialectic materialism. With
> it, we provide our own understanding of the
> develpment of human
> consciousness. You see, we figure human
> consciousness is a product of the
> material world, produced in interaction of sentient
> beings with their
> natural environment. You can see how this
> understanding allows us to
> re-integrate ways of thought that have been rent
> asunder by the dualism
> that has plagued Western thought for over 2,000
> years, and allows us to
> appreciate anew the intrinsic value inhering in
> material reality. This
> allows us to appreciate the natural world without
> having to prostrate
> ourselves in worship.
> You've already shown us that you hold the same
> "scientism" position for
> which Louis Proyect was castigating Joan Cameron,
> although you quite
> clearly don't understand why ancient compendiums of
> knowledge do not meet
> the requirements of science; so, here's something
> for you to think about,
> again, from the site:
>    Heidegger's claim to point to a primordial
> "thinking" that is in
>    some way a return to a more authentic,
> uncorrupted insight is
>    hardly new in the history of philosophy. It is
> but a variation of
>    the claim that immediate intuition provides a
> surer basis for
>    knowledge than the mediated sequence of concepts
> that brings
>    particulars into relation with universals. The
> attempt to grasp the
>    bare particular, uncorrupted by the universal,
> whether conceived of
>    as "sense perception" or a mystical access to the
> divine, has
>    dogged philosophy for centuries. In his own time,
> Hegel had to
>    respond to the intuitionists who opposed critical
> thought. Replying
>    to these thinkers, he wrote, "what is called the
> unutterable is
>    nothing else than the untrue, the irrational,
> what is merely meant
>    [but is not actually expressed]."
>    This comment, it seems to us, makes a perfect
> coda to Heidegger's
>    "thinking" that is beyond philosophy. Heidegger's
> "thinking" is not
>    post-philosophic but pre-philosophic. We have not
> so much overcome
>    the history of metaphysics, as we have regressed
> to a period in the
>    history of thought prior to the emergence of
> metaphysics, ....
> So, as far as I'm concerned, Sweetie, you can take
> your holy man routine
> and shove it.
> One last question: Do you agree that Hunter Gray's
> atrocious defense of
> rodeo is an appropriate way to "respect nature"? Are
> you aware of the
> kinds of injuries that are regularly visited upon
> animals in these
> events? For instance, during the calf-roping events,
> it is not uncommon
> for the skin of the calf to be violently ripped from
> its integument
> connecting it to the animal's flesh - while the
> animal is still alive and
> still inside the now-loosened flesh. Is that your
> idea of "respect for
> nature"?
> Oh, btw, I have a copy of _The Fall and Rise of the
> Senecas_, by Anthony F.C. Wallace, which
> confirms what Joan Cameron has discussed in her "On
> the Reliability of
> Oral History", in its discussion of the messianic
> movement begun by
> Handsome Lake of the Iroquois.
> Just thought you'd like to know.

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