marxism-digest V1 #4424

Mike Friedman mikedf at
Fri Feb 8 08:11:10 MST 2002

    I would ditto everything Jose said and add that it is you who evidently
need to come to terms with the past, so you can bury it (and avoid repeating
it). I would also add (perhaps hypocritically) that the real test of a
revolutionary movement in the U.S. was NOT to pick up guns, rush in and
foist itself on the Nicaraguan people. At best that would have been
patronizing, and at worst, a way to get Nicaraguans and gringos killed to
the detriment of the Nicaraguan revolution. And -- and this is perhaps the
main point -- the Sandinista leadership specifically rejected the type of
action you proposed. Our role was to build a movement to stop U.S.
imperialism. That didn't mean "don't go there and witness, or help." It also
didn't and doesn't mean there is no conceivable circumstance in which
internationalists shouldn't pick up arms in defense of other processes
(Spain). Ironically, in the midst of so much stupidity, the SWP got this
part right, where you show a real absence of comprehension.


> From: "Jose G. Perez" <jgperez at>
> Subject: Re: Forwarded from Anthony (Moreno/Nicaragua)
> A defence of the Morenistas in Nicaragua does not provide ground for
> discussion in the year 2002. The Sandinistas had to toss the Morenistas
> of the country on their asses. There's no point coming back almost a
> of a century later with nonsense about "slanders" and "under the military
> discipline of the Sandinistas" and so on.
> (...)
> As to Trotskyism in general, I am more convinced than ever BOTH of the
> historic necessity and righteousness of the struggle waged against the
> bureaucratic deformations of socialism by the Bolshevik-Leninists in the
> and the International Left Opposition in the 30s, AND the utter
> of the post-WWII Trotskyists of all flavors, shapes and sizes.
> (...)
> Obviously from the nature of this critique, it is not one of the Trots per
> se, but of many other dogmatic currents in the communist movement
> (...)
> But these are not isolated "mistakes." And on the scale of the broad sweep
> of history, at least in this part of the world, there was a time when the
> cluetrain stopped by the offices of the Central Committee of every last
> Trotskyist "party" in the Americas. And not a single one would take
> delivery.
> (...)
> I don't really know Jose G. Perez except from his participation on this
> list. But he has expressed an opinion about Morenoism in Nicaragua that is
> false and worse. He wrote, (Subject: Re: Latin America and Revolution
> "Jose G. Perez" <jgperez at>  Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002
> 08:35:19 -0500)

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