reply to David Murray mud

DAVID MURRAY dmurray at studentmail.newcastle.edu.au
Sun Nov 10 15:55:21 MST 2002


BEN C

Western suburbs, actually, protesting outside the Villawood
detention centre. And at an international conference where we had
representatives from, for example, the MST of Brazil, and the
Communist Party of India - Marxist Leninist, which has more
members and mass following in one country than the entire world
Trotskyist movement (and including the DSP too if you like). It
was a shame we couldn't be at Woomera but trying to score points
like that is pretty cheap: it's not like we were hanging out in
trendy Bondi cafes or something.

DAVE
The villawood rally was a good face-saving exercise. But it is a question of priorities,
should a self-agrandising conference be given priority over some of the most important
protests of the year.
As to your point on the CPIml. Bigger does not neccessarily mean better. Was the
Australian CP better than the fourth international in the 1940's, it had 17000 members
while the ISFI had little over 2000. I will not hesitate to say that the CPIml will completely
stuff up if they ever get a sniff of power.

BENC
I've nothing against people shaving their heads (I do it), it's
only a minor issue of image OK? I get on fine with the SP SHARP
guys the few times I've met them, "thugs" or "drug pushers" I
would not call them.
As to that rubbish about the DSP, I'll treat it with as much
seriousness as I think being a skinhead is a problem. you're
obviously bitter about something? We don't "socially engineer"
people and have always had a large number of women leading, open
lesbians and gays, etc etc etc...

Dave replies
Good to see that you are more perceptive than the DSP leadership who like to present
the SP as such. I shave my head too, even after my untimely retirement from rugby league.
Social-engineering or not. The DSP definitely has a preferred lifestyle for their membership
having the characteristics which i mentioned in my last post.
As to Bitterness, you could call it that. People like me are tired of the DSP maneuvring, and acting in a bureaucratic manner, and then screaming blue murder when things don't go the DSPs way.

BENC
I hadn't heard of a 32% result. Who else stood in the by-election
(where was it?) Sounds good.
Dave
http://home.mira.net/~sp/
second story in the what is new column.

BENC
As to the "sectarian Alliance candidate" can you elaborate? I'm
not in the city of Melbourne and I'm not aware of this. Or was it
merely that we refused to stand aside for the SP?
DAVE
They stood a complete nobody against two prominent socialists. SP came within a dozen votes of winning. If we hadn;t had to spend half our time explaining how we were different, we might have won.
Not happy with having prevented the first election of a socialist in years
they wrote a smear job claiming that they were the only people to run on an 'openly socialist program'.

BENC
small correction: Dave Riley is no longer a member of the DSP,
although I believe he still supports the DSP politically. That
comment doesn't really represent the attitude of the DSP.
DAVE
WHy did he leave? Did even he become totally bored with his own columns?
I'll take your word for it Ben, but in my experience it seems quite a common atitude.







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