(UK)SWP, CANF - spot the difference

istendency istendency at pandora.be
Mon Sep 2 16:08:55 MDT 2002


Hi comrades
I would just say some curicial points about this discussen.....



> Although on many issues I've warmed to the UK SWP/ISO Australia,
> there are still some matters which rankle. Here's one of them.
> This is from the latest _Fight Racism! Fight Imperialism!_ of the
> UK Revolutionary Communist Group, see
> www.revolutionarycommunist.com
> benj

SAID BENJ. THIS IS VERY NORMAL FOR ME BECAOUSE OF ACHIEVMENTS OF THIS
TENDENCY....

>
> *******
 NOW VERY BRIEFLY I TRY TO GIVE SOME RESPONSE TO ....
 DALTON HILLIARD's reports.
>

>
>      ‘Is that our idea of socialism?’, asked this well-fed
>      and self-styled ‘socialist worker’. He mentioned
>      prostitution – but not the reliance on tourism forced
>      on Cuba by its isolation, nor the Cuban Communist
>      Party’s programme to combat the underlying
>      reasons for the growth of prostitution.
YEST HE DIDN4T MENTION BECQUSE HE DOESNT BELIEVE THQT SOCIQLISM IN ONE
COUNTRY IS POSSIBLE....SO THQT OF COURSE IMPERIQLIST PORCES SURROUND YOU QND
DEGENERQTED YOUR AIMS AND #STATE#.
DALTON SPEAK ABOUT PROGGRAME, THIS IS TPICALLY BUROCRATIC APPROCING TO THE
PROBLEMS...."IN OUR PROGGRAMES" "IN OUR PERSPECTIEVES"...blablablabla....IN
REALITY????
Gonzalez; SPEAK ABOUT REALITIES....IF YOU WANT TO HEAR YOU CAN
UNDERSTAND......
YOU KNOW... I've BORN AND GREW IN TURKEY, MANY ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVES
AND OPERATIONS IN TURKEY WERE VERY SIMILAR LIKE CUBA...BUT NO ONE ELSE SPEAK
ABOUT TURKEY AS A SOCIALIST COUNTRY?!
OUR MILITARIST DICTATORSCHIP HAD ALSO SOME IMPORTANT PERSPECTIVES IN ORDER
TO UNDERLYING PROSTITUTIONS QUESTION IN TURKEY?!


>      Gonzales concluded by denouncing the Cuban state
>      for permitting foreign capital investment – again,
>      without mentioning the severe political and economic
>      challenges that make such investment necessary.

YES!!!!!! NECCESITIESSSSS... IF YOU CAN NOT EXPLAIN SOMETHING ELSE THEN
SPEAK ABOUT NECCESITTIEESSSS... FIRST OF ALL SOCIALISM MEANS; STRUGGLE
AGAINST ALL KIND OF NECCESITTIEESSS as REMARKED BY CHRISTOPHER
CAUDWELL...DON'T SPEAK ABOUT THESE THINGS. I DON'T BELIEVE SOCIALISM IN ONE
COUNTRY...CAPITALISM IS A WORLD SYSTEM SO THAT IT MUST OVERTHROWN IN WHOLE
WORLD IN ORDER TO REPLACE BY SOCIALISM BUT NOT YOUR ISLANDS.
>
>      Gonzales dismissed Cuba’s outstanding
>      achievements, particularly in the spheres of health
>      and education as ‘un-socialist’ on the spurious
>      grounds that Sweden – one of the richest and most
>      developed nations in the world – also has good
>      hospitals!
>      YES !!!!! IF WE DISCUSS ABOUT ACHIEVMENTS, WE MUST BEGIN ACHIEVMENTS
OF CAPITALISM...IF YOU CAN DARE, TRY TO COMPARE CUBA WITH ONE OF CAPITALIST
COUNTRIES OF EUROPA......
SOCIALISM COULDN'T EXPLAIN WITH PROVEMENTS LIKE STATE PROPORTIES. IF WORKING
CLASS HAS NO ANY POSSESION ON POWER? ON STATE? HOW CAN YOU MENTION ABOUT
WORKERS STATE, SOCIALISM????!!!!

MARX HAD BEEN RAMARKING MANY YEARS AGO ABOUT WORKERS :They don't  know but
they do"....
>      It is now evident that the SWP is little more than
>      CANF’s mouthpiece on the British left.

NOW, DONALD DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SWP, BUT HE SPEAK.....??!!!!???!!!!???

Seref


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