(fwd from Melvin P)

Les Schaffer schaffer at optonline.net
Wed Aug 27 11:11:36 MDT 2003

>The assumption that classes constitute monoliths (with the addition of a
distinct class of black workers) just rings hollow.  The discussion
seems to go sour when that sociological assumption is allowed to trump
the obvious need to unravel historical processes that involve internal
contradictions that exist within these classes. <


You missed the point: America was a Southern nation in its origin with a
class of slaves. The North developed as an appendage to the plantation system. At
a certain point in its evolution a new nation in the North began emergence.
This new nation in the North took shape on the basis of European immigrants,
which formed its working class. There is absolutely nothing hollow about this
elementary truth. There question of black is immaterial to this basic

The working class and for that matter the ruling class in both nations -
divide on the North - South axis and not black and white. The internal
contradiction or rather the contradiction internal to the different laboring classes in
each respective national formation - further, the contradictions between the
laboring class of these different national formation is a legitimate field of

I choose to investigate the genesis of the black elite and the emergence of
the black leader. No doubt you are familiar with this subject, although to my
knowledge no one within Marxism have ever written an article specifically on
the emergence of the black leader as opposed to simply leaders who have black

You missed the point.

Melvin P.

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