To Quantum Les Schaffer and Jim Farmelant

dms dmschanoes at earthlink.net
Wed Jul 2 19:56:40 MDT 2003


Well, I live in NYC and if the rum is that good you better bring more than
one bottle and invite more than Les.

To each according to his needs.... and all that

dms

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Paramo" <albatrosrojo2000 at yahoo.com>
To: <marxism at lists.panix.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 3:11 PM
Subject: To Quantum Les Schaffer and Jim Farmelant


>
> Les:
> > apol. accepted. do you live in the NYC area? i'll
> > take you up on the rum. and am happy to argue about
> Soviet mathematicians to your heart's
> > content.
>
> Nope. But I travel there once in a while, but mostly
> to Washington, DC and Philly. But I can drop by with a
> bottle maybe before the end of the year. This is the
> best ron on earth, followed by the Nicaraguan Flor de
> Caña Centenario blue label and the 15-old Havana ron.
>
> Jim Farmelant:
>
> > While in the Trotskyist movement, Van wrote very
> > militant Marxist pieces,
> > under pseudonyms such as Marc Loris.
>
> Gerland, Logan and other pen names, isn't ?
>
>  Van gave up
> > on Marxism in 1948
> > when he judged that the working class could not
> > fulfill its historical
> > mission.  However, late in the 1970s Van published
> > his memoir WITH TROTSKY IN EXILE.
>
> Is this the book with mostly Trotsky's love affairs
> and problems?
>
> Jim Farmelant:
>
> > Trotsky about dialectical logic, as that was
> > Trotsky's obsession, especially circa the split in
> the American Trotskyist movement
> > brewing in 1939?
>
> I don't think it was an obsession, but he relunctantly
> took up the issue to confront Burham and the
> anti-defensists.
>
> Jim Farmelant:
>
> Van did write a couple of articles, pseudonymously
> > on the subject.  I think one was "The Algebra of
> Revolution", published in THE NEW INTERNATIONAL,I
> think.  Van also participated in a
> > little known debate within very obscure internal
> bulletins during World War II.
>
> If you have it throw it this way, please.
> Jim Farmelant:
>
> > His main antagonist was George Novack, who
> > represented Trotsky's
> > confused position (see Novack's book AN INTRODUCTION
> > TO DIALECTICAL  LOGIC).
>
> Bad, bad, bad .... very bad intro.
>
>
> I have photocopies of this material,
> > at least I think I do, ad I should make it available
> > to the Marxists
> > Internet Archive, esp. the obscure internal bulletin
> > material.  This is
> > not the stuff of intellectual greatness, but it is a
> > minor episode in the
> > politics of intellectual history.  I remember only
> > how inept Novack
> > really was and obtuse in is criticisms of Van's
> > attempt to clarify the
> > issues.
>
> THat material I would be interested in, throw in this
> way and will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Jim Farmelant:
>
> > When Van left the revolutionary movement, he wrote a
> > manuscript
> > criticizing Engels' writings on mathematics as
> > exceptionally inept
> > and way behind thestate of knowledge of its time.
> > As it happens,
> > Van did not judge Marx's mathematical manuscripts
> > quite so harshly,
> > but he did lambaste Engels for being ignorant enough
> > to claim that
> > Marx had done something revolutionary for calculus.
> > Van's essay
> > "Engels and Mathematics" was finally published
> > in his SELECTED ESSAYS.  This book is impossible to
> > find outside of
> > research libraries, but I do have it in hand, and so
> > I will be able to
> > copy the essay.  The publisher is obscure enough so
> > that I cannot imagine
> > a
> > copyright violation becoming an issue.  Perhaps then
> > this essay should go
> > up on the web, too.
>
> Yeah, this will be interesting as a side note.  I
> never gave Marx, or Engels for that matter, much
> credit for their mathematics.
>
> Les:
>
> > and then of course:
> >
> > 7.) bringing this all back to marx and dialectics.
>
>
> Comment: Good luck at that! You will really need it.
> The last person whom I know that tried to bring
> quantum physics and inter-science logic into a Marxist
> understanding now lives in Bahamas, is proprietor of a
> casino and made his money designing video games.
>
> He failed at Marxist development, but he made a bunch
> of money in the process.
>
> I will more modestly pursue the basics of dialectics
> and sensorial transmission as they are easier to study
> and have a more immediate, practical application in
> politics.
>
> Don't keep it for yourself, though, post them as I
> know a couple individuals who would like to read
> whatever is there about that.
>
> JP
>
>
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