To Quantum Les Schaffer and Jim Farmelant

Jim Farmelant farmelantj at juno.com
Wed Jul 2 17:09:37 MDT 2003


JP,

That article I forwarded to this list was by Ralph Dumain
so if you want phtocopies of Graham Priest's
Science & Society articles on dialetheism and
paraconsistent logic, you are better off,
emailing him at  rdumain at igc.org.



On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:11:10 -0300 (ART) =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Paramo?=
<albatrosrojo2000 at yahoo.com> writes:
>
> Les:
> > apol. accepted. do you live in the NYC area? i'll
> > take you up on the rum. and am happy to argue about
> Soviet mathematicians to your heart's
> > content.
>
> Nope. But I travel there once in a while, but mostly
> to Washington, DC and Philly. But I can drop by with a
> bottle maybe before the end of the year. This is the
> best ron on earth, followed by the Nicaraguan Flor de
> Caña Centenario blue label and the 15-old Havana ron.
>
> Jim Farmelant:
>
> > While in the Trotskyist movement, Van wrote very
> > militant Marxist pieces,
> > under pseudonyms such as Marc Loris.
>
> Gerland, Logan and other pen names, isn't ?
>
>  Van gave up
> > on Marxism in 1948
> > when he judged that the working class could not
> > fulfill its historical
> > mission.  However, late in the 1970s Van published
> > his memoir WITH TROTSKY IN EXILE.
>
> Is this the book with mostly Trotsky's love affairs
> and problems?
>
> Jim Farmelant:
>
> > Trotsky about dialectical logic, as that was
> > Trotsky's obsession, especially circa the split in
> the American Trotskyist movement
> > brewing in 1939?
>
> I don't think it was an obsession, but he relunctantly
> took up the issue to confront Burham and the
> anti-defensists.
>
> Jim Farmelant:
>
> Van did write a couple of articles, pseudonymously
> > on the subject.  I think one was "The Algebra of
> Revolution", published in THE NEW INTERNATIONAL,I
> think.  Van also participated in a
> > little known debate within very obscure internal
> bulletins during World War II.
>
> If you have it throw it this way, please.
> Jim Farmelant:
>
> > His main antagonist was George Novack, who
> > represented Trotsky's
> > confused position (see Novack's book AN INTRODUCTION
> > TO DIALECTICAL  LOGIC).
>
> Bad, bad, bad .... very bad intro.
>
>
> I have photocopies of this material,
> > at least I think I do, ad I should make it available
> > to the Marxists
> > Internet Archive, esp. the obscure internal bulletin
> > material.  This is
> > not the stuff of intellectual greatness, but it is a
> > minor episode in the
> > politics of intellectual history.  I remember only
> > how inept Novack
> > really was and obtuse in is criticisms of Van's
> > attempt to clarify the
> > issues.
>
> THat material I would be interested in, throw in this
> way and will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Jim Farmelant:
>
> > When Van left the revolutionary movement, he wrote a
> > manuscript
> > criticizing Engels' writings on mathematics as
> > exceptionally inept
> > and way behind thestate of knowledge of its time.
> > As it happens,
> > Van did not judge Marx's mathematical manuscripts
> > quite so harshly,
> > but he did lambaste Engels for being ignorant enough
> > to claim that
> > Marx had done something revolutionary for calculus.
> > Van's essay
> > "Engels and Mathematics" was finally published
> > in his SELECTED ESSAYS.  This book is impossible to
> > find outside of
> > research libraries, but I do have it in hand, and so
> > I will be able to
> > copy the essay.  The publisher is obscure enough so
> > that I cannot imagine
> > a
> > copyright violation becoming an issue.  Perhaps then
> > this essay should go
> > up on the web, too.
>
> Yeah, this will be interesting as a side note.  I
> never gave Marx, or Engels for that matter, much
> credit for their mathematics.
>
> Les:
>
> > and then of course:
> >
> > 7.) bringing this all back to marx and dialectics.
>
>
> Comment: Good luck at that! You will really need it.
> The last person whom I know that tried to bring
> quantum physics and inter-science logic into a Marxist
> understanding now lives in Bahamas, is proprietor of a
> casino and made his money designing video games.
>
> He failed at Marxist development, but he made a bunch
> of money in the process.
>
> I will more modestly pursue the basics of dialectics
> and sensorial transmission as they are easier to study
> and have a more immediate, practical application in
> politics.
>
> Don't keep it for yourself, though, post them as I
> know a couple individuals who would like to read
> whatever is there about that.
>
> JP
>
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