einde at gmx.de
Wed Jul 23 16:15:43 MDT 2003
John Paramo wrote:
>>The context in 1914 was, in fact, not the same in
>>all these places. The
>>course of the war and the socialist movement turned
>>out differently in
>>all of those places. In places the slogans needed
>>to go much farther.
> While not getting on the main line of the silly
> discussion on silly Goff, I would say that the above
> statement is actually not very helpful. The socialist
> movement in Europe did not "turned out differently in
> all those places." In fact, in most those places they
> approved the war budgets and left the real antiwar
> elements like Lenin out in the cold of Switzerland,
> with as many followers as they can fit in one car.
Actually IIRC it was four carriages - the reference is to the number of
carriages needed to carry the delegates to teh Zimmerwald Conference.
These delegates actually represented something more on teh ground - but
it was still a pitiful minority compared to the Second International
before the war.
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