Bring the Troops Home Now/Support the Troops

dms dmschanoes at
Thu Jul 24 19:09:10 MDT 2003


I don't at all understand what it is you're trying to do.. and I don't think
I have to satisfy that.

What I have stated is that BTTHN is inadequate to addressing the struggle
that is the real source of the war; that BTTHN couches itself in patriotic
jargon, just look at the stuff that accompanies the great majority of
presentations of BTTHN-- "this war isn't worth one American life."; that
BTTHN rather than moving the "95% of those without a concept of class"  to a
concept of class, stops any such movement and allows the recuperationists to
commandeer the movement.  I have stated that by not facilitating this
transition to a class analysis, the bourgeoisie are able to obscure the
essential characteristic of a class struggle, beg for more time within the
patriotic trappings of BTTHN and once they do get the troops home, continue
the war with greater or lesser ferocity but continue the war.  I direct you
to the fate of the VN anti-war movement  and the ferocious assaults made by
US supported and supplied forces after the withdrawal of US ground forces.
I say BTTHN does not entail an end to the war.  Check the timeline for

LP made a statement that socialist politics should not be introduced into
the anti-imperialist or anti-war movement. And that sums the differences up.
Those socialist politics are inextractable from an anti-imperialist,
anti-war movement and should be advanced along the lines of creating a
transition from an ill-defined, non-class specific protest, to a class
defined social program.

To say that socialist politics should not be introduced into the anti-war
movement because of the urgency of unity is to say in reality, socialist
politics should never be introduced anywhere, since we always need unity and
no movement starts out with socialist politics.  So how do we get off jump

By analogy, would anyone say that the civil rights struggle in the beginning
in the South in the 1950s was just about segregation in the South?  And
should no other politics have been introduced?  Or should the socialists who
participated in those struggles, who marched (and ran like I did a few
times) have articulated their analyses of the driving forces and where the
movement had to go for fulfillment?  And then when a black proletarian
communist movement did develop, should it have denied its history in the
civil rights movement or should it have illuminated the organic unity
between the two and the necessity for the transformation of civil rights
into the emancipation of labor?  What is so terrifying about taking,
leading, the next step?

You want my slogan?  Here's the long version:  Ok, you say BTTHN.  You say
you support our troops and I suppose you might like a parade after they
return where you can show your support.  So here I come, and let's pretend I
was in combat, and let's pretend I know something about military logistics,
and let's pretend I ask you if you support our troops.  And you say yes, and
you want to bring them home immediately.  And I say-- Look pal, there are
150,000 asses on the ground out there, scattered over a state the size of
California [does that sound familiar?], and they can't come home
immediately-- do you support continued shipments of ammunition to "our boys
and girls" while we develop a timetable for orderly withdrawal?  And before
you can equivocate I say "Do you support combat perimeter patrols, recon
patrols, forward artillery observation, forward listening and observation
posts while troops are withdrawn to assembly points for embarkation?  And
before you can stammer an answer I say  And do you support combat air
patrols to blast the shit out of threatening, hostile movements by
potentially hostile forces.  And while you're pondering all that, I look at
you and tell you, you don't know what support entails.

So here, being the ignorant soul that I am, and not knowing how to answer
that person and prove my support, I offer my slogan.

No US/UK/UN troops in Iraq.  No Support to imperial destruction and
And I let the guy who knows all those things about logistices figure out
what to do next, with his army.

For the record, I am categorically against the deployment of the US military
anywhere and everywhere, including the soil of the United States.


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