RES: From pen-l (Mandel on "transition")

Renato Pompeu renatopompeu at
Sat Nov 8 16:07:37 MST 2003

May I say that these "data" are money-based and so colonial plunder appears
of lessened importance in relation to the material importance they had in
the history of capitalism? Why do English workers drink tea anyway, at cheap
prices that appear as unimportant in their diet?
Renato Pompeu

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[mailto:owner-marxism at]Em nome de Jurriaan Bendien
Enviada em: domingo, 9 de novembro de 2003 02:25
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Assunto: From pen-l (Mandel on "transition")

(I posted this on PEN-L previously, but I have added a small bit to it)

In a paper he will give this Monday at the International Institute of Social
History in Amsterdam, LSE Professor Patrick O'Brien argues:

"With the aid of data (rarely cited by Mandel to support his
representations) European economic history has been reconfigured as one of
gradual and continuous rises in 'measured' rates of growth for agriculture,
industry, trade and urbanization which required some (but manageable)
uplifts in the rates of saving and investment.

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