[Marxism] Too many humans?

Xenon Zi-Neng Yuan wenhuadageming at comcast.net
Wed Nov 26 16:12:51 MST 2003

At 10:40 AM 11/26/2003 -0500, Louis Proyect wrote:
>It is not that hard, really. You can take, for example, the energy, water 
>and food requirements of the average worker in a G7 country. The amount of 
>water required to produce 1 pound of California beef is 2,464 gallons 
>according to the Water Education Foundation in Sacramento. It is not 
>Malthusian to state that this is not an effective use of resources. There 
>is an unlimited amount of soil in the USA, but the Oglalla aquifer is not 
>replenishable. Socialism can do wonderful things, but unfortunately it 
>cannot synthesize H2O.

but doesn't this just mean that this particular type of farming is 
wasteful?  surely, many of the material "requirements" of the average G7 
worker aren't biological necessities for a healthy and enjoyable human life?

there _is_ an ecological limit of sustainability, i find no disagreement 
there, but i myself get leery about pronouncing such precise "quantifiable" 
estimates of the "maximum capacity" of the planet.  as much as i am 
astonished to have some trace of agreement with dms, i worry that trying to 
come up with these numbers, based on current or projected consumption, does 
seem like a slippery slope to malthus-land...

i know it's the original title of the article, but even the name of this 
thread sounds creepy...


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