[Marxism] Re: Help on Hitchens (or Ignatieff) on railroad and indian geno...
bebop101 at comcast.net
Fri Apr 9 17:04:24 MDT 2004
There are a number of reasons I have been enjoying being on marxmail these
past several months. Reading posts such as the one by Louis below is one
of them. He packs many big ideas in a few succinct sentences of
I will be out of town and off-line for a while. See you all later.
At 03:51 PM 4/9/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>>Didn't Marx (perhaps "celebrate" is too categorical a word) generally think
>>that the settlement of the American West was a Good Thing? I mean,
>>societies were for the most part fairly brutish nomenclatures, weren't they?
>You might be surprised to learn that Marx and Engels thought very highly
>of the Iroquois confederacy, as did Benjamin Franklin, who incorporated
>many of its features into proposals for the new American state.
>Furthermore, the only "Good Thing" noted by Karl Marx in the USA in this
>period was the abolitionist movement. He never regarded industrialization,
>mechanization and all the other byproducts of primitive accumulation as an
>end in themselves. He only saw them as preconditions for socialism.
>Finally, while we should never idealize American Indians, they were
>primitive communists and had more respect for elders, children and nature
>than found in any capitalist society. They were constrained by a low level
>of labor productivity, but their ethos is one that future socialist
>societies would do well to aspire to.
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