[Marxism] RE: anti-semitism and Israel

James Daly james.irldaly at ntlworld.com
Thu Apr 22 08:11:10 MDT 2004


Well said, Zak!  All it needed was your "joys of left Orangeism"
-)  -- J.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Calvin Broadbent" <calvinbroadbent at hotmail.com>
To: <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:44 PM
Subject: [Marxism] RE: anti-semitism and Israel


> Hi,
> Does Xxxxxx not read any of the posts on the subject she instigated?
There
> is tons of evidence to suggest Zionist collaboration with the nazis
before
> they came to power. It really isn't the major issue. The point is
that
> Zionism is a racist supremacist ideology intended to justify a
thoroughly
> brutal and undemocratic colonial project responsible for over 50
years of
> intense suffering and depradation. The Israeli govt., labour and
likud, are
> historically consistently rejectionist. They deny the human rights
of
> Palestinians. They deny their rights under international law. They
steal
> their land. They murder their leaders. They demolish houses. They
herd
> people into refugee camps. They bomb the refugee camps. They steal
food.
> They siphon off Palestinian water. They profit from using
Palestinians as
> cheap labour. They construct 'jew-only' roads. They live in luxury
on top of
> hills whilst the population below starve and are policed into
submission.
> They kill, since 2000, ten times more arab Israelis than arabs have
killed
> Jews. All of this is elementary and well documented. They make
impossible
> demands on Palestinians before they will even consider 'negotiating'
with
> them. For Xxxxxx to talk about suicide bombers (with the emphasis on
> 'suicide', meaning the actor would rather die him/herself than live
any more
> under such circumstances), as the cause of Sharon's policies is a
disgrace.
> I thought this was a list for people interested in marxism? Perhaps
if
> Xxxxxx had spent most of her life under brutal occupation she might
think
> twice before defending 'left zionism'.
> PS The subject heading, as has been pointed out tons of times, is
> misleading- Palestinians are semites and the Israeli govt. thus
easily
> qualifies as 'anti-semitic'.
>
>
> >Message: 5
> >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:27:50 EDT
> >From: XXXXXX0000 at aol.com
> >Subject: Re: [Marxism] Marxism] Re: anti-semitism and Israel
> >To: marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu
> >Message-ID: <163.2e8868d4.2db895b6 at aol.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> >In a message dated 4/21/2004 12:41:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> >einde at gmx.de
> >writes:
> >There is quite a lot of evidence on the relationship between the
> >revisionist Zionists around Jabotinsky (ideological ancestors of
Sharon)
> >and fascists of all varieties. In addition there were various
> >collaborations between mainstream zionists and the nazis on
transfer of
> >Jews and resources to Palestine.
> >Not all Zionists were followers of Jabotinsky.  What do you mean by
"all
> >varieties" and where does your "evidence" come from?
> >
> >Desparate negotiations with Nazis to save as many Jewish lives as
possible
> >does not constitute collaboration with their goals or agreement
with their
> >"philosophy,"  and to imply otherwise is anti-Semitic.
> >
> >By your line of reasoning, Europeans who organized the
Kindertransports to
> >get as many Jewish children out of Germany as possible in the early
stages
> >of
> >the Nazi regime were collaborating with the Nazis.
> >
> >By your line of reasoning, my father in law, (may his memory be for
a
> >blessing!) collaborated with Nazis because he gave them every last
penny he
> >had to
> >get one of the few tickets available onto a ship to Shanghai after
> >Kristallnacht
> >hit Vienna.  I guess you could call that ticket a scarce
"resource."
> >
> >
> >
> >Xxxxxx
> >
>
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