[Marxism] Organizers and NYC cop agree: 500,000 marched

mds zenporcupinegrind at breathe.com
Tue Aug 31 07:10:39 MDT 2004

Hi Marv,

On Tuesday, August 31, 2004, at 01:21  pm, Marvin Gandall wrote:

> Carrol, Louis, Eli, Fred, Marc:
> You all make valid points. In the final analysis, we can agree no one 
> can
> say for certain when or where or under what circumstances a mass US 
> left
> would emerge.

Indeed, the same problem is extant here in Britain: the plotting of a 
future course for the 're-emergence' of the Left is under constant 
debate, especially given the current context of 'Respect', the 
effectual dissolution of the Socialist Alliance (by SWP decree, no 
doubt), and the usual internecine factional squabbling. Perspectives on 
'auto-Labourite' policies of the CPB have of course always been under 
debate, but I would suggest there are definite parallels - the so 
called lesser-evilism exists here too, though in a more inchoate form. 
Blairism is of course quite a dampener on a widespread endorsement of 
such a policy.

> My guess is that if one developed in our lifetime it’d begin within 
> the DP,
> because that’s the party the unions, minorities, and social movements
> presently look to, rightly or wrongly, to solve their problems at the
> legislative and other political levels. So I think they’d almost 
> certainly
> try to first reform a party they regard as their vehicle before giving 
> up on
> it.

Again, I can only offer a brief parallel perspective, that of 
Labour/UK. The task, I would suggest, is to ascertain the best possible 
course for 'ascending the mountain' from the present day to the tasks 
of socialist construction. The point has already been (correctly, in my 
mind) raised that the central question is not so much the fact that 
there was an overall backing of Kerry (for whatever reason) but rather 
the actual existence of a mass protest in the first place. This is 
obviously a re-assuring sign, and a good benchmark for further 
activity. There can be no construction without consciousness, after all.

> Your view is that any radicalization would mainly happen outside the 
> DP,
> around a smaller but still visible grouping like the Greens, drawing
> activists in the unions and social movements who you see as having 
> only a
> lukewarm or no attachment to the Democrats, as well as people who are 
> not
> now politically active.

The perspective of 'agitation from within, criticism from without' 
might bode well here? Of course, unless aims are made explicit for 
aligning with the Kerry/Democrat campaign, the impact of the raising of 
consciousness would be radically marginalised.

The last thing I'd like  to add is re: Carrol's post:

	"But after November we will certainly be in a better position to
	criticize Kerry & the DP for having made our position known."

--- I would suggest that support for  the Kerry camp, if it is to be 
endorsed, should only be undertaken on the condition that reasoning is 
publicised openly _throughout_ the election campaign - i.e., don't wait 
until after the elections to attack / reveal the 'truer' elements of 
Kerry-criticism. This wouldn't simply be disingenuous and 
opportunistic, but could harm the integrity of the mass movement / 
consciousness in the longer term.

It's excellent to hear reports of such mass activity across the 
Atlantic --- hopefully the above isn't too inapt.


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