[Marxism] Re: State capitalism: some quick replies to Joe and Phil

Roger A. Baker rabaker at cox-internet.com
Wed Dec 15 05:55:54 MST 2004

Comparing Sweden with the former USSR:

Sweden was neutral in the two world wars, and if fact profited from them.
I don't need to the horrors the people of the USSR endured in the two world 
wars and how the influenced industrial development in the Soviet union, and 
how the USSR was under endless attack by the capitalist powers from 1917 
untilo 1989.

The Soviet Union and its satellite nations should more properly be compared 
with S. American, the more developed countries of Brazil and Argentina who 
were in approximately an equal state of development in 1917.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Louis Proyect" <lnp3 at panix.com>
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Subject: Re: [Marxism] Re: State capitalism: some quick replies to Joe and 

> Tom O'Lincoln:
>>But given most people on this list think Soviet society was more advanced
>>than capitalism, it seemed relevant to measure it against an advanced
>>capitalist country. Surely after 50 years of industrialisation, Actually
>>Existing Socialism should be able to withstand such a comparison.
> No, I think it would be much more useful to compare Cuba to Jamaica, for 
> example. The Soviet economy was hobbled by bureaucratic mismanagement. 
> Cuba has been free of these distortions. Apple. Apple.
>>The issue isn't egalitarianism, but what proportion of surplus value goes
>>to the social wage. My guess is, Sweden would come out ahead, which means
>>on Joe's reckoning, the USSR must have been more capitalist.
> Did Sweden subsidize the economies of other capitalist nations in the same 
> way that the Soviet Union subsidized Cuba, Vietnam and other Comecon 
> nations? Apple. Apple.
> Louis Proyect
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