[Marxism] State Capitalism and the writings of Kautsky
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Sun Dec 19 16:01:36 MST 2004
From: "ameritech acoount" <stansmith44 at ameritech.net>
>I notice that the advocates of state capitalism try to push the question on
>the tertiary issues so as to avoid the real question. And they try to make
>the subject under discussion as abstract as possible, which leaves a lot of
>room for maneouvering. Then we get pushed into discussing what this or that
>term means to you and me.
> The real issue is do you defend China or the Cuban revolution when
> they are threatened by US imperialism? State capitalist organizations like
> the ISO emphatically do not. They support the overthrow of the Cuban
> government by the "workers". Which means they would support overthrowing
> all revolutions that have occurred in the real world. The views of the ISO
> on Cuba are very, very similar to Kautsky's "socialist" attacks on the
> Russian revolution.
> These state capitalists would defend "independent unions" in Cuba
> organizing to overthrow the Cuban revolution. They would be giving left
> cover to imperialist attacks, just as Kautsky did. These state capitalists
> deliberately lie and distort reality to twist it to fit their
> pro-imperialist views on revolutions and workers states. And to think they
> have gall to say they do that in the name of defending Trotsky's ideas!
I'd put the question even more starkly - does one defend bourgeois
governments, and those complicit with Western imperialism, against
ultra-reactionary movements, either fascist or Stalinist (and to me,
supporting Stalinists is no better than supporting fascists)? In particular,
when these movements manage to draw upon a degree of support from the
'workers' (as right-wing populists sadly often seem to manage)? I sort of
feel in sympathy with Trotsky on defending a third world fascist regime
against a Western liberal imperial overthrow, but find this position hard to
defend amongst third world comrades.
I realise these sorts of questions got very heated once in disputes between
the Maoists and the Trotskyites over Shining Path in Peru.
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