David Quarter davidquarter at sympatico.ca
Sat Jul 3 21:13:10 MDT 2004

Forward from mart

While these revelations may be 'shocking', I'm not sure
how anyone with even the least bit of functioning grey
matter could find them in any way at all, even the least
bit surprising!



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US general says met Israeli
interrogator in Iraq

LONDON, July 3 (Reuters) - The U.S. general who was
in charge of Baghdad's notorious Abu Ghraib prison said
on Saturday she had met an Israeli interrogator in Iraq, a
controversial allegation likely to irritate many in the Arab

A U.S. military spokesman in Washington said he had
no information and an Israeli official denied Israel was

Brigadier-General Janis Karpinski, who was responsible
for military police guarding all Iraqi jails at the time
prisoners were abused by U.S. troops there, told the BBC
she met the Israeli at a Baghdad interrogation centre.

"He was clearly from the Middle East and he said: 'Well,
I do some of the interrogation here and of course I speak
Arabic, but I'm not an Arab. I'm from Israel'," she said.

"My initial reaction was to laugh because I thought maybe
he was joking, and I realised he was serious," said Karpinski
who has been suspended from her command for failings at
Abu Ghraib but has not been charged with any wrongdoing.

An Israeli security source told Reuters: "Israel was not and
is not involved in the interrogation of anyone in Iraq."

Israeli involvement in Iraq could anger Arabs who accuse
Washington of favouring the Jewish state in its conflict
with the Palestinians and in wider disputes with its Arab

Israel has denied similar reports in the past of involvement
in U.S. operations in the Middle East. Last month, it denied
a report in the New Yorker magazine that it was training
Kurdish fighters in Iraq to counter Shi'ite militias there.

Photographs of military police abusing prisoners in Abu
Ghraib and other reports of abuse have led to hearings
in Congress and fuelled Arab and international outrage.

(Additional reporting by Corinne Heller in Jerusalem)


07/03/04 11:37 ET


Sat 3 Jul 2004

1:54pm (UK)

Israeli Interrogator at Abu Ghraib
Prison Claim on BBC "PA"

The American general formerly in charge of Abu Ghraib
prison has told the BBC that she has evidence that the
Israelis were involved in interrogating Iraqi detainees at
another facility.

Brig Gen Janis Karpinski, who was suspended in May
over allegations of prisoner abuse, said she met a man
claiming to be Israeli during a visit to a Baghdad
intelligence centre with a senior coalition general.

"I saw an individual there that I hadn't had the opportunity
to meet before, and I asked him what did he do there, was
he an interpreter – he was clearly from the Middle East,"
Karpinski told BBC radio in an interview broadcast today.

"He said, 'Well I do some of the interrogation here.
I speak Arabic but I'm not an Arab I'm from Israel.'
"I was really kind of surprised by that ... He didn't
elaborate any more than to say he was working
with them and there were people from lots of
different places that were involved in the operation,"
Karpinski added.

Israel's Foreign Ministry told the BBC that reports
of Israeli troops or interrogators in Iraq were
 "completely untrue." Israeli officials could not
immediately be reached.

The presence of Israeli forces in Iraq would inflame
opinion in the Muslim world, where many compare
the abuse of prisoners by US forces to Israel's
treatment of Palestinian detainees.

Until a 1999 ruling by the Israeli Supreme Court,
Israeli secret service interrogators were allowed to
use "moderate physical pressure" – a euphemism,
critics said, for torture.

Among the practices allowed prior to 1999 were
sleep deprivation, keeping prisoners in
uncomfortable positions for long periods and
covering their heads with filthy sacks.

Former prisoners say those techniques also were
used by US forces in Iraq.

Karpinski was suspended from command of the
800th Military Police Brigade after the publication
in April of photos showing soldiers abusing and
humiliating naked Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib.

She has said she did not know about the abuse
and is being made a scapegoat in the scandal.


General Janis Karpinski and Wayne Madsen conveyed
the Israeli connection to the interrogations in Iraq
(http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen05102004.html )
in the BBC 4 radio segment this morning which one can
listen to on their computer via the following URL:

General Janis Karpinski's segment will be archived under
July 3rd, 2004 at the following URL (after today) if you
don't pick up this email until Monday:

A full transcript of General Karpinski's interview (which
mentioned an Israeli connection to the interrogations in
Iraq and how Rumsfeld conveyed instructions for the
torture/abuse at Abu Ghraib) for 'The Signal' is now
linked at the following URL:

You can hear Jonathan Davis' interview with the BBC
via the link which you can scroll down to at the following URL:

More on Jonathan Davis and his son (Javal) via the following

Abu Ghraib Prison Torture Scandal Goes to the
Highest Level:

James Bamford's New Book ('A Pretext for War') on the Neocon

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