Fwd: [Marxism] ISO's position on Cuba

paul bunyan cutemdown2003 at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 15 15:02:08 MDT 2004

Suresh <borhyaenid at yahoo.com> wrote: 

>Not that this is news to anyone here, but given that
>the ISO maintains Tony Cliff's heterodox Trotskyist
>theory of state capitalism, it follows that Cuba and
>every other nation today are presided over by ruling
>classes. Thus, "Stalinist bureaucrats" "Bonapartist
>demagogues" and "comprador bourgeois elites" are all
>basically different species within the same genus. 

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but don't most Trotskyists world wide consider Cuba a "Deformed" workers state as oppossed to a "Healthy" one. In other words Stalinist. Yes, I understand this is entirely different than having a "State Capitalist" persepective, but nevertheless, by designating Cuba as Stalinist, this would be at odds with the uncritical stance toward the Castro regime that many of you on this list hold. The only Trotskyinst tendencies I know of that have an almost uncritical view of the leadership in Cuba are the United Secretariat (which the SWP/US was affiliated with, however loosely during their Trotskyist days), and the Freedom Socialist Party.

Years ago, when I left the SWP I was having discussions with US followers of the late N. Moreno, as were quite a few other ex-SWP'ers. I mentioned that while I didn't consider Cuba to be Stalinist, I did support the existence of a Trotskyist party there. The Morenist's response to me was "If you don't believe the Cuban CP is Stalinist, then why do you feel a Trotskyist Party in Cuba is necessary?" I couldn't answer him then, and 22 years later, I still can't.

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