[Marxism] quiet and behaved?
causecollector at msn.com
Thu Jun 17 22:26:07 MDT 2004
As someone who will not be quiet and behaved - I have been sadly hearing the
same old defense of the continuing ogvernment supported homophobia in Cuba.
Whatever changes have occured there are not by the government, but because
of the Gay/Lesbian Movement's growing demands and influence, around the
world - outside of Cuba.
We have had this discussion before and it seems to always drive several to
immediately "come to the defense of the Cuban government if any questions
are raised about inequality in that country.
Just for the record - in my opinion - no country at present is a "paradise
for Gays and Lesbians.
The painful reality at present in Cuba is that- no Gay group is allowed to
legally exist in that nation - yet the Cahtolic Church is allowed to operate
freely and have many organizations. Where is the fairness in that?
That some films were made - does not answer the question of the reality.
There were films made in the U. S. on Gays and many other subjects but this
does not reflect the true situation of official oppression and prejudice.
The Cuban government has done some very important international support and
efforts against imperialsim and capitalism. For this I applaud them. I
oppose the blockade and am for freeing the Cuban Five, etc. But this does
not mean I have to be quiet and behaved and not speak the truth.
Truth is not something to be afraid of - it is something that needs to be
known and understood. Things would change quicker and better for all Cubans
- if people would speak the truth and demand justice instead of playing this
game that everything is okay now.
I hear proclaimed every little thing that is perceived as tolerant towards
Gays in Cuba - as the proof that everything is great. It is far from that.
And why can I not suggest that a Left Unity Conference include Gay activists
who do not like the Cuban government? I notice the issue I raised about the
travel costs to hold a Left Unity Conference in Cuba, was limiting poor
people's participation, was of no interest to address - just the Gay issue?
I guess poor people are even more to be ignored than Gays at this time? I
guess this is "progress" in some distorted way - since Gays usually are not
mentioned and now seem to be of interest and fascination of more and more
people! Yet my objection was precisely because of trying to marginalize
Gays and Lesbians who respect themselves and will not settle for inequality
in any form or venue. Or be silent on their issues. Caring only for others
who deserve better, unlike those Gays who are only interested in pleasure
As most are aware there are no local workers councils voting locally on
their managers and on direct control of their factories. Havana appoints
these people - which goes against socialist views on who should control.
Does this mean we can not be critical of this either. The level of
development in creating a true socilaist society is being worked on - my
difference with comrade Walter Lippmann is on how hard in all areas. It is
a difference I have - and I hope it should be considered by those who wish
reading this email and other previous ones.
No criticism!! No criticsm!! - I heard this about the Soviet Union, China,
Albania and the Democratic Republic of Korea. Did this help stave off the
inevitable - when it became clear that many people did not support the
beauracrcies in those countries.
Walter Lippmann is a fine comrade - and can disagree with me all he wants -
and defend what he wants - but what I am saying is not without some or a lot
of truth (depending on each participants view on this list). My points are
not "outdated" or not relevant today, as he implies in my view.
If some are uncomfortable with the issues I raise, I am sorry. For those
who are afraid of an honest appraisal or different view, I am sorry. But I
beleive this goes back to hetero privilege. I do not want someone to give
me some rights or toleration - I want respect and fairness and equal access
and be treated the same with my right to be different. Conformity is not
socialism in my opinion.
Walter I am glad you can provide documents and films that discuss the
situation of sexuality in Cuba - but the "Gay Issue" is not limited to
relegating me to some side space "in a separate but equal status argument "
that we heard in keeping People of Color down. The issue is empowerment and
many are afraid of this - fearing that "perceived privileges" would be lost
I want to emphasize that this is not the case of Walter Lippmann and
honorable comrade who stood up many years ago, for basic rights for Gays and
Lesbians. I give him my respect for doing this. I just hope he allows me
my right to want more for Gays and Lesbians whether in the U.S., Cuba or any
other place on this planet. Is this wrong? I do not support the "go slow
appraoch" and why should I have to? Walter and I have a difference but it
is not something that we have to not be respectful in our differences over.
It is an issue that will actually be decided by the Cuban people and
especualliy the Gay and Lesbian Cubans who will decide how much they want in
respect and fair tretment and an actual voice in decisions.
Best regards to all my comrades who want a better world - and it is okay
that we have differences but understand that what we are united against -
the Capitalist monster - is the far greater threat than just some little Gay
activist such as myself who raises questions on equalioty and freedom for
I too hope Melvin returns - because he gave some insight and views that we
should all think about - whether we agree and reach the same judgement and
view with him or not.
Viva la difference!
Onward in Struggle for a Better World!
>From: Louis Proyect <lnp3 at panix.com>
>Reply-To: Activists and scholars in Marxist
>tradition<marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
>To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition
><marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Marxism] quiet and behaved?
>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:41:37 -0400
>Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>>>Here's a chapter from a recently published Cuban book on
>>>SEXUALITY IN THE SUNSET OF LIFE:
>>Thanks for posting the chapter. Do you (or does anyone else here) have a
>>bibliography of books and articles on sexuality in Cuba?
>I would also include these two as essential resources:
>Gay activist Larry Oberg's report:
>Jon Hillson's "The Sexual Politics of Reinaldo Arenas":
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