[Marxism] White chauvinism and the list

Craven, Jim JCraven at clark.edu
Fri Jun 18 16:48:46 MDT 2004

It is not a matter of objectivity.

It is a matter of concreteness, which is an entirely different issue.

The concrete meaning of a criticism changes depending on who, when, 
where and why makes it.  This is what should be considered.

Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
nestorgoro at fibertel.com.ar

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"Sí, una sola debe ser la patria de los sudamericanos".
Simón Bolívar al gobierno secesionista y disgregador de 
Buenos Aires, 1822
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Response Jim C: Precisely correct. But I would add that criticism, without context and background, can give, "objectively", without subjective intent to do so, aid and comfort to the enemy. In the early 1960s, when the U.S. imperialists moved more intensively to the doctrine of Low Intensity Conflict, they also put huge sums into social systems engineering/destabilization campaigns designed to identify, manipulate and destabilize the critical sectors, institutions, personalities, levers of power, vulnerabilities, contradictions etc of a targeted regime, movement or system. The idea was to engineer the conditions then used to "prove" such tautological syllogisms as:

Nation X = Socialism
Socialism = Inefficiency, Backwardness, Loss of Personal Liberty, Chaos, Despotism etc
Ergo: Nation X = ...


Movement or Nation X = Repression, Despotism, Inefficiency...
Repression, Despotism, Inefficency etc = Terrorism or Socialsm
Movement or Nation X = Terrorism or Socialism


Those who criticize, without context or background, some of the deleterious conditions in socialist societies that flow from imperialist encirclement, social systems engineering/destabilization campaigns etc (meant to be portrayed as inexorable outcomes of socialism or socialist failures), without noting where those deleterious conditions came from and what concrete forces and interests are behind them, may indeed, be "objectively" giving aid and comfort to the enemy. We have the same problems in Indian societies with criticisms from non-Indians looking from the outside, who often give no context or real origins to the deleterious conditions and practices they criticize from the outside--often from the perspectives of either ignorance or hubris--about the true origins of and forces/interests behind those conditions and practices or attitudes being criticized.

Jim C.

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