[Marxism] Liberal feminism
davidquarter at sympatico.ca
Fri Jun 25 11:43:02 MDT 2004
From: " Ian Pace" <ian at ianpace.com>
> Carrol Cox> > But without reading a single post I can assert with utter
> confidence of
> > > its correctness, that to criticize, ON THIS LIST, "bourgeois feminism"
> > > or "petty-bourgeois feminism" or "liberal feminism" is mere shadow
> > > boxing, and is disgraceful.
> > >
> > > Sexism cripples the capacity of workers (male and female, black and
> > > white) to fight effectively, either for reforms or for revolution.
> > >
> David Quarter> As far as I can see, the criticisms made of your statement
> > "Women _as women_ have no power over anyone or anything. If
> > they have
> > power it is as army officers, national security advisors, corporate
> > executives, _not_ as women. _As women_ they don't even have
> > power over
> > their own bodies."
> > are valid. You have really answered them, either. Instead, you have
> > labeled (or implied that) your critics (are) sexist, male chauvinist,
> > shadow boxers and disgraceful.
> > As someone with an interest in issues of power and male
> > priviledge, I really curious to know how women in positions of power
> > don't really hold power over men.
> The critique is not of feminism as an ideology (except to the extent that
> creates the false ideology that gender transcends class), but of the hideous
> distortion of it in some bourgeois liberal hands. [...]
> There is nothing sexist, male chauvinist, shadow boxing or disgraceful about
> this argument; on the contrary the failure to address these ideologies
> head-on is the biggest betrayal of working-class and poor women the world
> round. What would suit the forces of reaction better than a generalised
> association of 'bourgeois' with 'feminine' and 'proletarian' with
I'm not sure if this message (particularly the last paragraph) is
directed primarily towards me or Carrol? In any case, if it wasn't
obvious, I am in complete agreement with your position on
feminism. The part in my message to Caroll about "you have really
answered them, either" should have read: you have NOT really
answered them, either". It was a typo.
Obviously, I don't presume that feminism as a whole is false. I
certainly disagree with Caroll's statement concerning women and
power and the one quoted above also.
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