[Marxism] RE: USSR, Democracy, and the Environment
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Waistline2 at aol.com
Sun May 16 11:05:40 MDT 2004
In a message dated 5/16/04 7:59:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Waistline2 at aol.com writes:
>Soviet socialism was a part of the twentieth century's accommodation with
the vast upheavals of the nineteenth century, when masses of peasants were
decanted from the land and sent to work in satanic industrial cities. In fact,
Soviet socialism exhausted its historical potential by 1945. From that time
onwards it became a deeply conservative force, a roadblock in the way of
Once it was swept away, a fortress of old resistance to the curses of
capitalism, nothing was left to prevent the final emergence of a truly global
capitalism and its social counterpart, a truly global working class. <
My bad planning gives me a moment to detach from reality and write. The above
statement by our late comrade Mark Jones is incorrect on face value. One is
left to ponder in an abstract manner the meaning of "the historical potential"
of socialism. There are two fundamental approaches to the matter and one is
1. What if fact creates "the historical potential of (Soviet) socialism."
2. What if fact creates "the historical potential of socialism."
Mark answer is the thermodynamic barrier and political structures . . . as a
side note a misunderstanding of the wall of the law of value in the Soviets
external relations with capital or the world market.
Comrade Lou's explanation is basically satanic Stalinism and the ignorance of
the Stalin Regime. Let us assume this is entirely correct.
What pray tell halted the intensive development of the industrial machinery
of Soviet society? What can ease account for what halts the extensive
development of industrial enterprise because the earth and this continent country is
finite. What law system or barrier did the Soviets run into and it was not the
wall of thermodynamics in 1945 - the date Mark gives, although the soviet
industrial economy - according to everyone did not begin its decline until the
1960s. Its decline meant a slowing of its rate of expansion and not decline in an
Let us say that Stalin was all wrong about everything.
Lets deal with political economy from the standpoint of Marx or nothing at
all. What is the economic basis of the Soviets hitting the wall - from the
standpoint of the actual industrial process and then we can make sense of the
political and ideological struggle. Is this not Marx approach. There is nothing in
Mark Jones writing about the actual process of industrial production as it is
governed by the law of reproduction and the character of the extensive and
intensive development Marx speaks of as "cooperation."
Oil can impact the law of extensive development but not determine it.
Technology governs the law of intensive development but does not determine its form
and shape. The property relations determines the form and shape.
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