[Marxism] Interview with Issam Shukri regarding US Bombing on Fallujah

Metin Sarp metin_sarp at hotmail.com
Thu Nov 11 12:10:42 MST 2004


On the Grave Situation in Fallujah:

Interview with Issam Shukri regarding US Bombing on Fallujah

Maryam Namazi:

I want to talk about the situation in Iraq. We know that the US is planning 
a campaign of attacks particularly because they are saying that they want to 
make the environment secure for the upcoming elections.

Can you tell us exactly what the situation is? We know that they started 
their attack in Fallujah and some other places..



Issam Shukri

The situation is very bad. For people who haven’t been following on the news 
Fallujah is under bombardment since two day ago. 200 bombs have been dropped 
by US forces on the city. As you know this is a city of half a million 
population; although  it has been reduced to one hundred thousand or so, due 
to bombardment and the  siege conditions that Us forces have put in place on 
the city.

The situation is really bad, horrendous and inhumane.  People have been 
bombarded around the clock. The roads of Fallujah have been blocked by the 
US. There is only one road leading outside the city to Baghdad which is 
under the control of the US army.  The food is getting scarce every minute.  
Actually, there are only men now in the city because the city has been 
evacuated from its population. It is really inhumane and horrendous 
situation that the world should oppose. People are being killed while I am 
speaking under the pretext of fighting terrorism, Islamic terrorism. This is 
unacceptable. The whole world should stand up and oppose this atrocity that 
the US army is committing in Iraq.



Maryam Namazi

I mean you did mention and we have seen in a lot of news reports that there 
are only men that have been left in Fallujah although we see pictures of 
women and children and men who have been killed in these bombardments. My 
question is the numbers are unbelievable, recently the British medical 
journal LANCET issued a report stating that since April 9, 2003 the fall of 
Saddam Hussein 100,000 people have been killed in Iraq. This is an outrages 
number. It is also outrageous that we hardly hear about these numbers.  We 
hear about when British and American service men are killed and that too 
sometimes is under cover. Although the numbers are so incredible, why is it 
that the world hears so little about these numbers?



Issam Shukri:

It is because of the US war propaganda, the US control of the main system of 
lies, it is trying to maintain with it allies.

Of course there are so many agencies which have visited Iraq since 2003. 
Even before that date. The lies of the US in its mainstream media are not a 
new phenomenon. The sanctions had killed 1.5 million people and no one 
mentioned or talked about it. Ironically when Tommy Franks the Chief of US 
Army in Iraq was asked about the casualties among civilians he said” we do 
not count bodies”. People were shocked by this declaration coming from the 
symbol of the US army in Iraq; the symbol of what I would call, State 
Terrorism. I think they are dropping the number of causalities of family 
members. We should multiply that number by three or four. I really doubt 
that this is the real figure. It could be much more than that. The 
techniques of war and the war machines that the US has been using exceed the 
human imagination regarding the killings. I think the reason why the US is 
concealing its atrocities is because it wants to hypnotize people into 
believing that what they are doing (the US) is but for the sake of Iraqi 
people. This number shows the magnitude of the atrocity of what the US and 
Britain is doing in Iraq and shows the hypocrisy of talking about Saddam 
Hussein's atrocities.

Saddam was a murderer and a tyrant but what the US did exceeded what Saddam 
had done by far.



Maryam Namazi:

If someone is saying that bush is getting an over whelming mandate in the US 
elections that his US policy  will go unabated, it'll go even further than  
before, though you'd said before in a previous interview that there wouldn’t 
be too  much difference in your perspective between Kerry and Bush.  In the 
US foreign policy in Iraq, do you think it will make the situation worse in 
Iraq or it can’t get any worse?.



Issam Shukri

The outcome of elections will reinforce and strengthen the US polices not 
only in Iraq but in its global plan of invasion, the so-called New World 
Order. This is an assurance that Bush's policy would resume at least for the 
coming four more years while he is in office.

The US is facing problems in Iraq and it is in trouble because people are 
turned against it. People no longer trust the US. There was once a talk 
about the US receiving flowers and smiles (from the Iraqis), but this has 
long gone. Now people of Iraq are very angry, and there is a very strong 
anti-American sentiment in Iraq because of the atrocities they are 
committing, the bombardments of Samarah, Fallujah, and Baghdad, because of 
the lack of human dignity and the lack of basic conditions of life. All 
these conditions made it very clear for the people in Iraq that the US is a 
monster (not a liberator). It has nothing to do with providing them with a 
decent living.



The right wing polices of US, as I mentioned before, is State Terrorism. The 
situation they have created in Iraq, which is called the Dark Scenario, 
means that they are fighting with another terrorism; Islamic terrorism 
inside the Iraqi society. People are been killed because of the conflict 
between these two poles of terrorism. The right wing of militarism of the 
United States and the Islamic terrorism form one side and the people of Iraq 
on the other side. I mean 25 million of people in the other side. I think 
the elections would give bush more energy to resume his right wing policy.



Maryam Namazi

In sentence or two in your opinion what should people be doing against this 
situation?



Issam Shukri

We as progressive people have to turn the situation in Iraq around and to 
provide the conditions that would allow the people of Iraq have their needs. 
Actually the situation of Iraq is so dire and so severe that people need 
security, bread, and some kind of normal civil society. These conditions can 
not be maintained while the US is there. The US presence is causing all 
these problems.

We think that the Pull-out of the US forces from Iraq is important. The 
Islamic terrorism will decrease and be much less then. We also demand the 
immediate and unconditional halt of Fallujah's bombardment and siege and all 
the other Iraqi cities. This blood shed must stop immediately.

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