[Marxism] Two gains US scored recently in Iraq

Ralph Johansen michele at maui.net
Sun Nov 28 18:28:49 MST 2004

Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu <mailto:cbcox at ilstu.edu>> wrote


Alexander Cockburn has an excellent article on the election on the
following website:


Here is one delightful paragraph from it:

The truly bad news is the 9/11 nuts have relocated to Stolen Election.
My inbox is awash with their ravings. People who have spent the last
three years sending me screeds establishing to their own satisfaction
that George Bush personally ordered the attacks on the towers and that
Dick Cheney vectored the planes in are now pummeling me with data on the
time people spent on line waiting to vote in Cuyahoga county, Ohio, and
how the Diebold machines are all jimmied. As usual, the conspiracy nuts
think that plans of inconceivable complexity worked at 100 per cent
efficiency, that Murphy's law was once again in suspense, and that
10,000 co-conspirators are all going to keep their mouths shut.


Comment: Although I seldom disagree with the insightful contributions 
Carrol makes, I don't know that I agree with Carrol Cox and Cockburn on 
this one. 

I think there's a lot of overgeneralization here. Everyone on this list 
knows that a high level of conspiracy does take place in high places, most 
of it so covert it escapes notice. Some deserve what Cockburn says, "that
George Bush personally ordered the attacks on the towers and that Dick Cheney 
vectored the planes in", like probably Jared Israel or Larouche if and when they 
go wandering all over the lot making allegations without support and drawing 
improbable connections among events where none exist. And Ruppert has said 
he agrees with much that Larouche has reported, with careful documentation, 
although he has many disagreements with him on that which Larouche concludes 
from his data. Mike Ruppert is compiling a dossier of challenging, seemingly 
well-documented facts, connecting plausible dots implicating the neocons at 
least in tacit assent but without much further editorializing, against a crew who 
from their track record are capable at the least of complicity in the occurrence 
of 9-11.

I sent this to Gerry Cavanaugh <gjcav at jeffnet.org> (with a copy to Lou) 
who asked the original question that prompted the responses about political 
movies, after I added to Gerry's list Mike Ruppert's 138-minute "The Truth and 
Lies of 9-11". I had first sent him the following:

Gerry, you have instigated a fine exchange on marxmail about political 
movies, and evidently even a new blog or section for Lou Proyect. 

Speaking of which, I have just this morning watched Mike Ruppert's "The 
Truth and Lies of 9-11", a 138-minute tape of a speech with power point 
he gave at Portland State - maybe you've seen it. Interspersed with 
interviews with Barbara Lee, Peter Dale Scott, Cynthia McKinney and 
others. Several people had told me about his new book, the 670-odd page 
"Crossing the Rubicon: the Decline of the American Empire", saying it was 
riveting, powerful, couldn't put it down and so forth [including Sid Shniad 
and Karen Wald]. I haven't read it yet.  Someone mentioned that he was 
supposed to have some affiliation with Larouche. I don't care about that 
(and reading Ruppert's response to David Corn I doubt it) - everything he 
puts out appears to be meticulously documented, he offers $1000 to anyone 
who can call him on anything he reports, and he editorializes with discretion 
and in a way not inconsistent with left views. Anyhow, another suggestion 
for you, just to pile on now that you have had all these responses.

This is what I sent to Gerry as followup:

Arguments with myself: thinking about this and starting Ruppert's book, 
I had further thoughts: there is with some on the left a view that 
speculation about conspiracy of this kind is wasted effort, that this is 
the nature of the beast and get on with it. Whether it's coups or 
attempted coups as in Cuba, Venezuela and elsewhere, or any other 
serious allegations of conspiracy, once you've exposed them, then what? 
What conclusions can be drawn that affect the resistance against and 
routing of the main adversary, the capitalist system of accumulation and 
its agents. Words to that effect.

My response is that to most people this level of activity by their 
government is not believable and therefore the level of legitimacy of 
corporate and government actors is to this extent undisturbed, unless 
the things that Ruppert and others are ferreting out and spreading 
around get passed as widely as we can. Especially when they're getting 
at the facts, documenting them carefully as Ruppert appears to be doing 
and connecting the dots. That thousands and hundreds of thousands are 
dying in these wars for reasons which if known to most people in the US 
would be, we have to assume, unacceptable says that Ruppert is doing a 
hell of a service to us all. It's obviously not enough but it might 
help. And things aren't otherwise going too well on the left.


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