[Marxism] Re: Should socialists call for democraticstructuralchange?

Jon Flanders jonflanders at jflan.net
Sun Apr 17 19:49:02 MDT 2005

On Sun, 2005-04-17 at 21:30 -0400, rrubinelli wrote:
> Some?  Perhaps, but I am responding to not some, but to the specifics
> proposed by Brian Shannon.
> Do you think those specifics as he proposes actually facilitate and
> encourage the development of a working class labor party?  And if so,
> how?  By ignoring at root and branch every and any notion of class?  By
> hoping that class consciousness will unconsciously overtake those
> engaged in petition drives to introduce a constitutional amendment to
> abolish the Senate?

Abolishing the Senate is the least politically realistic of the the
points Brian raised. Not to say that it wouldn't be a good thing, since
the Senate was designed to be a quasi "House of Lords" put in place to
stymie the will of the rabble.

All the others, yes, they would greatly facilitate the formation of a
labor party, which to a great degree is held back for the same reason
that all third parties founder in the US, lack of a level playing field
and fear of "spoiling" the chances of the "lesser evil."

More democratic rights in its struggle with the capitalists are always
in the interest of the working class. If you ignore this, then your
"notion of class" is quite different than mine.

One of the positive things coming out of the last electoral cycle, is a
broader understanding of the need for really democratic elections in the

Jon Flanders

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