[Marxism] Communism, anti-German criticism and Israel
calvinbroadbent at hotmail.com
Thu Aug 11 06:56:01 MDT 2005
"Make that a right-wing liberal pseudo-marxist provocateur."
Such a denunciation does not help me deflect from real argument- it is a
real argument. Your defense of Israel is right-wing, your deunciations of
and on political Islam, your defense of Christopher Hitchens and
'anti-Germans' (eh?) and your pronunciations on council communism,
nztionalism and the state appear liberal. The sum total of your writing
appears un-Marxist whilst garbed in the mantle of 'ultra-left' Marxism.
I am not worried about uncomfortable ideas challenging my perceptions. I
want my ideas to be challenged so as to come to a more coherent and
realistic perception of things. Your ideas make me uncomfortable because
they seem ridiculous. There is plenty of people writing to the Marx list
whom I don't always agree with- I would never wish to see most of them
disappear from the list.
My suggestion of a vetting procedure was semi-rhetorical. At least such a
procedure would prevent Zionists and liberals from posting to what is
supposed to be a marxism list. If I wanted to hear such arguments I would
subscribe to a liberal and/or Zionist list.
Of course Marxism covers a broad range of political positions. But I don't
think it should cover defences of Israel and the most abstract posturing
imaginable (anti-nation-ism, state-ism, Islam-bashing). I am quite confident
that I have at least as good an understanding of Karl Marx's writings as
Anyway, if I am 'cynically psychotic' and immature, then you are a pompous
and reactionary sophist.
ED (OR IS IT BARNEY) THE CLOWN WRITES:
>If such denunciation helps you deflect from real
>argument, be my guest. It is, after all, only an
>email list. But this sort of denunciation is straight
>out of a Stalinist playbook.
>You, like a thousand other alleged "Marxists," are
>some sort of activist who has read Lenin's Imperialism
>and mistakes that for having a sufficient knowledge of
>I don't know what the function of a "vetting
>procedure" would be on a list devoted to open
>discussion amongst Marxists. If you are worried about
>being confronted with uncomfortable ideas which
>challenge your perceptions, perhaps it would be useful
>to hang out a warning sign of a "common basis of
>political agreement" with some sort of ten point
>program of minimal consensus.
>Otherwise, deal with the fact that Marxist is a term
>broad enough to cover political positions which are
>even diametrically opposed. In short, grow up. The
>world is a lot bigger than you imagine.
>I have not once in the course of discussion offered
>any sort of defense of Israeli state crimes. Yet
>merely by entertaining a critical attitude towards
>"national liberation" struggles with anti-semitic
>elements, I have somehow become to disturbing a
>political presence. That does not speak well for your
>debating style. As I stated before, this kind of
>agressive rejection of reality is clinically
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