[Marxism] Pat Robertson calls for the assassination of Hugo Chavez

Jim Farmelant farmelantj at juno.com
Wed Aug 24 11:16:31 MDT 2005

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:49:58 -0400 Jon Flanders <jonflanders at jflan.net>
> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 11:30 -0400, Louis R Godena wrote:
> > Moreover, Chavez himself says it's no big deal.   He knows Bush,
> > Reich, Rumsfeld, Abrams, *et al* have said that much and worse on
> > many, many occasions, and in all probability have set in motion 
> plans
> > to get him out of the way for real.    For the life of me I can't 
> see
> > what the big deal is.

It's a big deal, in that Pat Robertson dared to talk openly
about killing Chavez on television.  He certainly didn't
say anything that wasn't already on the minds of Bush,
Cheney, Rumsfeld et al, but that's not the sort of
thing for them to talk about in public.  For them,
the idea is to do the deed, without talking about
it, thereby preserving a modicum of deniability.
That way if Chavez were to be assassinated,
the Bushies can publicly express their regrets
while maintaining that he had it "coming to him"
for being a commie.  Pat Robertson's loose
talk makes it harder for the Bushies to follow
such a scenario.  Now,
if Chavez were to be assassinated, all eyes
would look to the US and the Bush Administration,
with considerable damage to US prestige.

As a rich and powerful religious leader, Pat
Robertson is a figure that the ruling class
has to take seriously, but from their perspective,
he is very much a loose cannon, who hurts
them as much as he helps them.

> Well yes, for Chavez its no big deal because he knows exactly what 
> he is
> up against. But it is a big deal for us because we should certainly 
> know
> by now that the ruling class is out to create a climate of fear and
> violence that will let them get away with a Chavez assassination
> without much political cost to them here. Not to mention using 
> violence
> against dissent here as well.

I would agree that the US ruling class is seeking to
create a climate of fear.  But Robertson's sort of loose
talk is counterproductive from the standpoint of
the ruling class, since it would make it harder
for the US to get away with assassinating Chavez.
The idea is that they would prefer to have him
assassinated in such a way so that the US can
maintain deniability.  For the US to be openly
linked and implicated in such a crime can
only do damage to US diplomatic interests.

> I'm fine, working days with weekdays off which is why you hear more 
> from
> me mid-week.
> Oh, and as for Joaquin, he does indeed work for an important news
> organization  which is why he must be careful. I value his 
> contributions
> very much, hope everyone can stay cool. Please.
> Jon 
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