Replying to Bill was RE: Short comment on Lou's post was RE: [Marxism]Arguing against Creationism and Healyism

g.maclennan at g.maclennan at
Thu Mar 3 19:12:48 MST 2005

Hi Bill,  

thank you for reading my post.   You must have heard the 
chimes at midnight!

My first comment is that you should (re?)dip into Waite's 
book and his characterisation of left Nietzscheanism.

It is there we need to look for the influence of Nietzsche 
rather in the irrational posturing of the poststructuralists. 
The latter's Nietzsche was heavily influenced by Heidegger's 

Where I think the Living Marxism tradition comes closest to 
Nietzsche is in their social Darwinism and their pro-
modernization triumphalism.  When Furedi toured Africa he 
looked at the empty species and wanted a huge increase in 
population.   (BTW John Wayne had the same reaction when he 
was filming Hatari in 1962). 

James Heartfield's contempt for the global warming hypothesis 
(actually now a fact)is instructive.  Here again anything 
which could possibly stand in the way of capitalist 
modernity, such as a recognition of the reality of natural 
necessity, is excoriated.

If we think Fukuyama and his reading of Nietzsche, then we 
are close to understanding Furedi & Co's "turn".



When he reads Marx he goes above all to the Manifesto and 
what comes out of that is a belief in the capitalist as 
ubermensch and capitalist modernity as the way to achieve 

Think too of Nietzsche's hatred for all and for everything 
that he felt stood in the way of the brave new world of the 
overman.  Don't you detect that in Furedi and James 

---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:24:04 -0000
>From: "Bill Hughes" <bill at>  
>Subject: RE: Short comment on Lou's post was RE: [Marxism]
Arguing against Creationism and Healyism  
>To: "Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition" 
<marxism at>
>Nietzschean thought dominates the world not only in neo-con 
disguise but in
>postmodern 'left' pluralism and perspectivism. The fact that 
left and right
>share this antirational relativism that transcends values 
and truth is
>precisely the point of Spiked group (for want of a better 
label). They have
>constantly argued against that strand of thought and I would 
be surprised if
>you could cite anything from that quarter that remotely 
resembles Nietzsche.
>-----Original Message-----
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>g.maclennan at
>Sent: 03 March 2005 23:31
>To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition
>Subject: Short comment on Lou's post was RE: [Marxism]
Arguing against
>Creationism and Healyism
>Lou wrote:
>In fact, they [spiked onlined]reject the terms of "left"
>and "right" as having little *value* (my emphasis).
>My comment:
>Which of course is the exact point is it not?  There is more
>monetary *value* in moving beyond left and right just as
>there is more value in moving beyond good and evil;
>especially in a world dominated by Nietzschean thought in its
>neo-con disguise.
>Some day somewhere somone should take up Geoff Waite's mighty
>tome on Nietzsche (Nietzsche Corps/e) and plot his influence
>on groups such as Furedi's.
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