[Marxism] O, Dialectics!
leninology at hotmail.com
Thu May 12 10:01:16 MDT 2005
"How do you get around the claim that if you think there is something that
doesn't change , then you think that God exists?"
I don't, I just dismiss it as illogical nonsense. First, it engages with
what I don't say (I never said that there was something that did not change,
only that not everything is always changing). Second, it is not a valid
argument: because there may be something in the universe that never changes
(and this is a very real possibility) does not mean that it was created by a
"we presume for the future that everything changes"
That may sound like a safe assumption for most ordinary experience, but what
if there are some levels at which things do not change - ie: stay exactly
And how do you get round the fact that ordinary language is enormously
better at describing and delineating change than the language of dialectical
>From: "Charles Brown" <cbrown at michiganlegal.org>
>Reply-To: Activists and scholars in Marxist
>tradition<marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
>To: <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
>Subject: [Marxism] O, Dialectics!
>Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:50:40 -0400
> www.leninology. :
>I doubt that you, or Trotksy, or anyone else has examined every corner of
>the universe, at every atomic and subatomic level, and discovered incessant
>change. It was once believed that the proton was self-identical for at
>least ten to the power of 38 years. When Lenin wrote, it was widely
>believed (and so he accepted) that there was such a thing as 'ether' -
>actually that belief is becoming more fashionable. But it is simply
>unscientific a priori reasoning to insist as a matter of one's
>foundation that all nature is in a perpetual state of change.
>CB: How about as a posteriori reasoning as a presumption ? Because, all
>experience is that nothing stays the same forever, there is no Rock of Ages
>or God , no eternally constant anything, we presume for the future that
>How do you get around the claim that if you think there is something that
>doesn't change , then you think that God exists ?
>In other words, dialectics is identical with atheism.
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