[Marxism] After the oil is gone
jonflanders at jflan.net
Sat May 14 20:03:41 MDT 2005
Mark Jones answered you more than once while he was with us.
We don't need to rehash these arguments again here. In my opinion.
On Sat, 2005-05-14 at 18:45 -0400, rrubinelli wrote:
> I'm not sure that the moderator ascribes to the peak oil theory as one
> of his own beliefs, but be that as it may, we've been down this road
> before. Since the moderator has reproduced the latest "sky is falling"
> from salon.com, I guess it's OK to go down it one mo' time.
> But....Mark Jones's analysis is interesting because it is radically
> unMarxist, locating the critical fracture not in a conflict between
> means and relations of production, not between output and profit, but in
> eternal immutable geology.
> OK, fair enough, but geology leaves a whole host of questions
> unanswered...like how come prices react to an event 20, 30 years in the
> future, when markets are functioning precisely to apportion profits here
> and now? Or why didn't they react 20 years ago to the event that is
> happening right now? Like how can we go from over-supply to shortage
> overnight? Like how come the latest concern is the overproduction of
> LNG due to the coming online of processing plants in Qatar (see WSJ of
> 0513) when the hydrocarbon scarcity theorists have been warning about
> the depletion of gas supplies.
> Darwin, unlike Hubbert and the Hubbertists, did NOT make any social
> determinations from his study of natural science. But the peak oil
> theorists do nothing but make social determinations, while denying their
> determinations are anything but natural science.
> Oil is not finches. Oil exists as an object, but it exists socially
> only as an expropriated value. Darwin had enough sense to know his
> limitations. The new social Darwinists, dressed up in Hubbert's
> clothes, don't have that sense.
> As the head of the Colorado School of Mines' Hubbert Center wrote: "Oil
> companies don't have the slightest interest in producing oil. Their
> concern is making money."
> Follow the cash.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <g.maclennan at qut.edu.au>
> To: "Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition"
> <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 6:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Marxism] After the oil is gone
> > rrubinelli wrote:
> > Why is it that none of these peak oil theorists are Marxists?
> > Jon replied:
> > Nonsense. Mark Jones.
> > Not to mention our good Moderator Lou Proyect. But the real
> > point is that non-Marxists eg Darwin can advacne knowledge
> > and Marxists should read and use them.
> > regards
> > Gary
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