[Marxism] CIA remands to "Old Europe" may torture the "Old U.S.A."
Brian_Shannon at verizon.net
Thu Nov 3 21:04:40 MST 2005
"Same old, same old" may be the sentiment in the U.S. over the alleged
secret jails in Eastern Europe, but it will not be the sentiment in
Europe where public inquiry will be fueled by a different consciousness
from the United States. The built-in rivalries between European
capitalism and U.S. capitalism, along with a public that has no
inherent patriotic impulse to support the U.S. and active
social-democratic and Far Left political movements promises trouble for
both "New Europe" and the old United States.
Besides that, "old Europe" is still Europe, and it will not long escape
notice that the new torture prisons are not far from Hitler's torture
prisons of over 50 years ago.
Europeans To Check CIA Jail Report
BRUSSELS, Nov. 3, 2005(AP) The European Union and the continent's top
human rights group said Thursday they will investigate allegations the
CIA set up secret jails in eastern Europe and elsewhere to interrogate
terror suspects, and the Red Cross demanded access to any prisoners.
Human Rights Watch said it has evidence, based on flight logs, that
indicate the CIA transported suspects captured in Afghanistan to Poland
and Romania.* But the two countries — and others in the former Soviet
bloc — denied the allegations. U.S. officials have refused to confirm
or deny the claims.
Such prisons, European officials say, would violate the continent's
human rights principles. At work may be a complex web of global
politics, in which eastern European countries face choices between the
views of the European Union and their interest in close ties with the
. . .
Red Cross chief spokeswoman Antonella Notari said the agency asked
Washington about the allegations and requested access to the prisons if
they exist. The Red Cross, which has exclusive rights to visit terror
suspects detained at a U.S. military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, long
has been concerned about reports U.S. officials were hiding detainees
from ICRC delegates.
Europe's top human rights organization, the Council of Europe, said it,
too, would investigate.
[T]he Red Cross . . . has been unable to find some people who
reportedly were detained [and is] "concerned about the fate of an
unknown number of persons detained as part of what is called the
'global war on terror' and held in undisclosed places of detention."
In implicating Poland and Romania, Human Rights Watch examined flight
logs * of CIA aircraft from 2001 to 2004, said Mark Garlasco, a senior
military analyst with the New York-based organization. He said the
group matched the flight patterns with testimony from some of the
hundreds of detainees in the war on terrorism who have been released by
the United States.
. . .
He would not say how the organization obtained the flight logs,* but
said two destinations of the flights stood out as likely sites of any
secret CIA detention centers: Szymany Airport in Poland, which is near
the headquarters of Poland's intelligence service; and Mihail
Kogalniceanu military airfield in Romania.
. . .
[Garlasco] said that in September 2003, a Boeing 737 flew from
Washington to Kabul, Afghanistan, making stops along the way in the
Czech Republic and Uzbekistan. On Sept. 22, the plane flew on to
Szymany Airport, then to Mihail Kogalniceanu, proceeded to Sale,
Morocco, and finally landed at Guantanamo, Garlasco said.
As far as he knew, Human Rights Watch has not found and interviewed
detainees who were held in any alleged facilities in Poland and
[T]he Romanian Defense Ministry issued a statement saying it was "not
aware that such a detention center ... existed at the Mihail
Kogalniceanu base," and invited journalists to come see for themselves.
. . .
In Poland, an aide to President Aleksander Kwasniewski said authorities
there had "no information" of such facilities.
. . .
In London, the office of Prime Minister Tony Blair, who has close ties
with the Bush administration, declined to comment.
. . .
At the State Department, spokesman Sean McCormack said the United
States has not received any request from the EU for cooperation with an
investigation into the reported secret prisons.
"If we do receive a request, we will take a look at it," McCormack said.
. . .
According to the Post's report, the CIA set up a covert prison system
nearly four years ago which at various times included sites in eight
countries, including Afghanistan and several eastern Europe nations. It
quoted current and former intelligence officials and diplomats as
sources for its story.
. . . [Full at http://makeashorterlink.com/?X4AC2191C]
* The need for flight manifests and airport records has an interesting
historical echo and was even used in a Hollywood movie. During the
Moscow Trials there was testimony that one of Trotsky's alleged fellow
conspirators flew from Berlin to Oslo in December to meet with Trotsky
and plan terrorist activities against the Stalin government. However,
it was shown that during the alleged time period no planes had landed
at Oslo, thus undermining a material "fact" that was introduced to give
legitimacy to the forced confessions.
The airport log-keeping requirement was even used as a critical
element in the movie "A few good men" resulting in the undermining of
testimony by a Colonel (played by Jack Nicholson) who was hiding his
own complicity in the frame-up up two soldiers who followed orders that
resulted in the death of a fellow soldier.
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