[Marxism] RE: Noise and worker's hearts

Juan Carlos juancarloscruz at hotmail.com
Sun Nov 27 11:15:53 MST 2005

Hello my friend: You  know something? i have 180 books and I cannot read 
them because of high-levels of noises.  I live in Dominican Republic, a very 
unregulated society and there are no laws here for noises, and the 
noise-levels here are so high at least around my neighborhood that i cannot 
concentrate with peace to read the revolutionary books i have (What a 
kicker), although i have to confess that I listen to hard rock music real 
loud, i have 2 500 watts speakers in my car, because without music i get 

I don't know but developed countries like USA are a lot better for students 
than under developend countries like Dominican Republic, at least developed 
countries have laws to control noises

Juan Carlos

From: Les Schaffer <schaffer at optonline.net>
Reply-To: Activists and scholars in Marxist 
tradition<marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition 
<marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: [Marxism] RE: Noise and worker's hearts
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:38:58 -0500

Marla Vijaya kumar wrote:

>I am pleasantly surprised at your deep interest in matters

i was trained in mechanical engineering before getting into physics. i am 
teaching a course in the physics of sound (and music) this semester, so the 
noise effects article grabbed my interest for multiple reasons. next week i 
will show the class data on noise levels in different industries. if you 
have data you can share from your work on noise monitoring, i will show it 
in class. i've already discussed development of acoustic weapons by the US 
military, and their physical effects. then i told them about a car some 
student drives to school with an immense sub-woofer in the trunk. the low 
end bass is so loud and deep, i  felt it diffilcut to breathe when i stuck 
my head in his car (i guess he is a stoic). students then could grasp the 
effects of sound that resonates with the chest cavity.

yes, i am aware of logarithmic scale, i was wondering about the cost from 90 
down to 70 since the article on heart noise mentioned the latter as a limit.

>I hope other will not find this techno mumbo-jumbo
>boring, but I will try to limit my tech lingo.

we had a discussion on nuclear power about a month ago. feel free to join in 
on these technical excursions. i am all for having tech-aware dialogs 
between marxists.

>Noise has no direct relation to power

i was thinking of variable RPM designs and also IC engines. if you say nukes 
and carbon-fired
plants run at the same RPM, i can believe noise is equivalent from the 
turbine output shaft thru the generator.  what about combustion noise in 
carbon-fired plants? is it minimal compared to shaft/bearing noise?

in other industries, there is direct connection between power and noise. 
think of drop forges for example, or cutting equipment. and jon flander's 
comments on locomotive maintenance.

agreed on your comment about structural rigidity.

>EMI regulations are well established and we in India follow the same
>standards as elsewhere in the world. I am talking about
>machine-machine related electrical pollution.

that's what i was saying, there is more regulations governing inter-machine 
interference here too, at least on the electrical side. can't sell 
(consumer) goods here if the boards wont function properly.

>Anyway, this concept
>had not yet entered public domain and is limited to academic
>research and engineering organizations. But I am sure, harmonics
>are going to be a big issue in the coming days.

i wonder, will this change as more consumer goods requiring higher quality 
power feeds swamp your country.

good talking with you..

les schaffer

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