[Marxism] RE: more on the Brenner Thesis

rrubinelli rrubinelli at earthlink.net
Sun Oct 9 14:13:01 MDT 2005

But the below most certainly does not apply to Brenner, who most
definitely sees capital as the product of class struggle, between means
and relations of production.  What Brenner does is quite specifically
concentrate on the origins of the specific social relation of
production, the organization of land and labor, that defines capital as
capital-- that is to say where property exists solely for its exchange
with detached, dispossessed "free" labor.

Whatever the dynamics of the non-capitalist economies, and no matter how
great, and conversely, how little their contributions in terms of wealth
to emerging capitalism-- that wealth is NOT, in and of itself, value.
That wealth does not define nor create that critical social relation of
capital.  The class struggle, the reorganizaton landed property, the
expulsion of self-subsistence rural property holders with use for their
own labor, does.  That is Brenner's argument and his great contribution.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Victor Rosado" <vrosado at ic.sunysb.edu>
To: <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 3:53 PM
Subject: [Marxism] RE: more on the Brenner Thesis


Part of the problem is that theorists up to this date have,
unconsciously, reproduced an economic model which views the
transition/development of capitalism as the unfolding of a spirit (a
spirit which is very much Northern European... Hegelian).  A.  It is
impossible for them to see capitalism  as a force which often uses
non-capitalist relations in the "periphery" as integral to its (1)
development and (2) expansion.  B.  It is impossible for them to think
of non-capitalist economies outside of Europe as having very dynamic
productive forces and relations that capital could  thrive upon and
utilize.  C.  If you unconsciously are thinking of capitalism as an
unfolding, progressive and almost unstoppable force, then you will not
understand capital as a product of class struggle and varying, uneven
social relations... at any point "compromises" and even movement
"backwards" can be made... remember in Granada, Spain in the 15th and
16th century their were more bankers from Genoa than in any city in the
world. What happened?  The backlash of feudal forces crushed the
incipient bourgeoisie in Spain during the baroque period.


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