[Marxism] Re: Gay Discussion on Marxmail
Brian_Shannon at verizon.net
Mon Oct 24 09:02:23 MDT 2005
>I think, Brian, this is a clear example of only paying attention to the
parts of Walter’s post that you felt contributed to your forgone
conclusion. Walter covered a range of territory, *including* Cuba’s
history of sexual repression. (He’s written before on homophobia and
sexual repression in Cuba, in detail, and has never shied away from
The *fact* that Cuba has made strides in this area--huge strides,
immense strides, if Walter’s post was even half-correct--shows that
Cuba *is* combatting homophobia before, during, and after other crises.
The point of showing Cuba’s response to Wilma is to show that real
priorities, such as the saving of human life, as well as political
advances regarding sexual repression and homophobia, are infinitely
more important to consider than whether Fidel has some nice things to
say about Papa Ratzi. —Adam
I have no foregone conclusion on this subject and, in light of Walter’s
previous writings on this various subject, was in fact startled by the
section that I chose to quote.
I first did consider solidarizing myself with all the rest of Walter’s
post. It slipped my mind as I went to write my comment. Nonetheless, I
feel that if someone feels that this issue is either more important or
in fact necessary to comment on as it comes up in Marxmail, I can’t see
why Walter should compare it to what he is writing on and imply that it
wasn’t as important as Katrina or any other cataclysmic event.
Catastrophes happen all the time. Their interactions with capitalism or
a form of socialism are important. But there is something in the
excitement of that that allowed Walter to claim: stop your posts about
“Papa Ratzi” and to claim that the person writing about this believes
that “none of this is of any interest to those for whom gay issues are
the most important ones facing humanity.”
It is not a “gay issue”; it is a “human issue” that is part of all
forms of oppression. It may be more important to O’Brien or another not
because it is absolutely so, but because s/he has something special to
contribute. So when the issue comes up, it is important to discuss it.
What should O’Brien do: wait a month to write an abstract thesis on the
subject—hopefully when there is no natural catastrophe that someone can
use against him?
BTW, why did Castro invite the Pope? Shouldn’t he have stopped
absolutely everything else to help organize hurricane, flood, and
earthquake relief? In fact he did all of these. I assume that O’Brien
and others do many other things as well. But if they have special
knowledge to contribute on this question and, yes, special indignation,
why should their comments be so denigrated?
As for my own opinion on the invitation. It is of vital importance that
Castro takes every opportunity to break the blockade. He is to be
commended for getting such an early jump on this, setting the opponents
of the Cuban Revolution back on their heels. It is absolutely marvelous
how skilled he is at this. As for the “face of an angel” remark, it was
apparently said in private in order to win over a priest.
It is not part of a political program. The Cuban Revolution laid out
its international revolutionary program years ago. We should all
recognize that it does not need to reaffirm it again and again,
particularly under the difficulties in which it finds itself.
Similarly, we should not take the remarks of a head of state (which
Castro may not be technically, but is in reality) as the same as a
political program for revolutionary parties to follow throughout the
world. I keep saying this again and again; I don’t know why really.
I also feel that Castro’s attitude towards organized religion is much
superior, indeed the opposite, of the policy of Lenin. It is also much
firmer as a Marxist. You can’t overcome the need for comfort, solace,
etc., by forming an organization to combat religion. It can only be
done by giving people more and more power over their own collective
destiny and demonstrating here on earth how we can achieve harmony with
our lives and with others.
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