[Marxism] Why we are where we are

thomas muntzer immune_from_demoralization at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 5 23:12:49 MDT 2006


Comrades!  I am sorry I sent that email to RR and it
went out to the whole list.  Product of a very long
day and sleep deficit.  Oh well so is life.  I imagine
an unsub coming up for bashing the list. Adios.

--- thomas muntzer
<immune_from_demoralization at yahoo.com> wrote:

> RR-
> Sorry to hear about this.  I would have tried to
> back
> you up if I had been participating much on the list.
> 
> I stopped following the list very closely.  I was
> happy to see that JB left.  I think the main lesson
> I
> have learned over the past few years participating
> in
> Marxmail is the obvious one: not to get too wrapped
> up
> in it or take it seriously at all.  Nothing is going
> to come out of it for the movement, it is a
> playground
> for ideas where people get to act like little kids
> with huge egos.  Most of these guys aren't building
> anything and have had their perspective totally
> distorted by the pressures of whatever milieu they
> have retreated into.  JB really pissed me off with
> his
> race-baiting but I realized that if that guy set
> foot
> into South Central L.A. and tried to flaunt that
> arrogant attitude he'd get his ass kicked by someone
> within a week.  The next generation of
> revolutionaries
> will have nothing to do with marxmail I imagine --
> on
> the healthier section of the young L.A. left nobody
> knows that marxmail is and would be immediately
> turned
> off.
> So I guess I'm just providing reasons not to take
> any
> judgements coming off that list to heart at all.
> Anyways good luck with everything and I hope we keep
> in touch.
> Josh
> 
> --- nospads at netscape.net wrote:
> 
> > Sorry for the subterfuge, but the moderator leaves
> > me no alternative.....There is after all a
> question
> > of fact and accuracy....
> >  
> > 
> > >There I am minding my own business, just telling
> > Les why I probably won't
> > >resubscribe to the list, when innocently checking
> > the archives, I see LP
> > >hard at work with his usual disinformation;
> > attempting to provide some substantive
> > >cover for our mutual visceral dislike.
> > >
> > >I left the list not because I was placed on
> > moderation, but because LP insisted on
> > >prohibiting posting of my protest against
> > moderation, although he certainly conveyed
> > >JB's protest to the list.
> > >
> > >Now LP with his usual lack of rigor states that
> RR
> > spent several weeks in France
> > >and still after all that time only wants to
> discuss
> > Latin America, and that only from 
> > >a formalistic perspective.
> > >
> > > I spent 3 days in France, returning on Thursday
> > 3/30.  Not weeks.  I was placed
> > >on moderation Saturday 4/1.  Not a whole lot of
> > time to prepare a report for the greater glory of
> > Mr. 
> > >Proyect's cyberfame.
> > >
> > >Moreover, although I certainly don't expect
> anyway
> > to remember,  I have written about 20
> > >separate articles on the struggle Bolivia,
> > Venezuela, and Ecuador.  They have not appeared
> > >on the list, but the link has certainly been
> > provided.  
> > >
> > >None of those from the
> > >formalistic, ideological perspective of
> "permanent
> > revolution."  Now you can disagree with
> > >the content and conclusions of those articles,
> but
> > you would have to read them first.  And I don't
> > >think anyone will find those articles obsessed
> with
> > any form of ideological or party purtiy.
> > >
> > >Honestly, I left the list because I am really
> > dismayed by the lack of engagement with the
> > >critical issues of Marxism:  that is the
> > reproduction of capital and those forces driven
> > forward
> > >by that reproduction, in the struggle for and
> > against that reproduction.  
> > >
> > >And as a subset of that lack of engagement is, I
> > believe, LP's own need to use the list to
> > >obtain a measure of cyber-celebrity-- becoming
> the
> > equivalent of Counterpunch and Cockburn,
> > >St. Clair.  
> > >
> > >I have no desire to participate in any of that.
> > >
> > >I wrote to Les thanking him for his consistent
> > displays of integrity and even-handedness.  I
> don't
> > >think  Proyect even understands what those
> > qualities are.
> > >
> >  
> >  
> > I now will leave you all to the wonderful movie
> and
> > book reviews, the clippings from Prensa Latina,
> the
> > gurglings from the SWP nursing home, that have
> > sustained Marxism so mightily in its periods of
> > darkness.. 
> >  
> > rr
> >
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