[Marxism] antisemitism workshop audio now online

spencer s spencerpdx at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 6 16:32:23 MDT 2006

i missed his report-back. prehaps you'd like to dig it
out of the archives and (re)send it.

i was simply saying that K. closely represented our
views, whereas half of the list attributed a bunch of
weird-ass things to us, like we are zionists, etc.

in any event, obviously this panel had been scheduled
months in advance; it was even announced before the
Lebanon invasion. these things don't pop out of thin

i enjoy however that you seem to think that you can
tell me what my priorities as an activist should be.
although in fact, i think now more than ever we need
to talk about how much of the left is affected by
antisemitism, because i see it as fairly widespread,
especially amongst people doing middle east solidarity
work. people can't seem to distinct between israel and
jews. and you seem to be one of them, as you openly
conflate questions about jews, and questions about
Israel. last i checked, israel was a nation-state and
jews were a series of ethnic groups around the world
united by religious and cultural commonalities.

--- Mike Friedman <mikedf at amnh.org> wrote:

> Uhh... maybe I missed something, but why does your
> reading 
> kersblebeded's books make it unsurprising that he
> "got it right"? For 
> my part, I'll be content with Fred Feldman's report
> back. I've found 
> him to be a reliable source. And in my opinion,
> honest activists 
> shouldn't be organizing symposia on anti-semitism in
> the movement at 
> this moment, but on building the movement against
> the U.S./Israeli 
> aggression and Israeli apartheid. The aggression has
> cost the lives 
> of well over a thousand Palestinian and Lebanese
> civilians to date, 
> as well as destroying much if not most of the
> Lebanese and Gaza 
> infrastructures. And, yes, it's cost some Israeli
> civilian lives as 
> well. In the context of such a symposium, there
> could certainly have 
> been a workshop or panel speaker on anti-semitism.
> But, I think, at a 
> minimum,  the organizers of the Bluestocking event
> have their 
> priorities screwed up.
> By the way, Lou P., there would be another
> short-term activity or 
> series of activities that could be entertained: a
> movement-wide 
> educational conference or teach-in on the crisis and
> the U.S./Israeli 
> role in the Middle East. If the major anti-war
> coalitions could do 
> this together, it would be magnificent!
> >[Marxism] antisemitism workshop audio now online
> >spencer s spencerpdx at yahoo.com
> >Sun Aug 6 15:32:36 MDT 2006
> >
> >     * Previous message: [Marxism] Report on tel
> Aviv anti-war rally
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> subject ] [ author ]
> >
> >dear marxmail..
> >
> >my name is spencer and i'm one of the people who
> >helped put on (and was a last-minute speaker at)
> the
> >antisemitism workshop in NYC last july 23rd. after
> the
> >fact i read your list's long discussion about it.
> we
> >had the same long discussions on the NYC IMC and on
> >the nycanarchists list.
> >
> >we have put the audio up for the workshop at the
> link
> >below.
> >
> >i'd be happy to discuss it - although kersplebeded
> got
> >it right for the most part, which is not surprising
> >since we read the books he publishes and are also
> >concerned about Third Position fascist
> >cross-recruiting (but are also interested in Moishe
> >Postone and a critique of vulgar anti-imperialism
> and
> >anti-americanism). But it might be nice if you
> listen
> >to it first so i don't have to answer silly
> questions,
> >like "are we zionists".
> >
> >btw, did anyone see that the new issue of 'Race
> >Traitor' includes an essay by Israel Shamir? nice!
> >
> >- spencer sunshine
> >(you can goggle me if you are curious, and yes,
> that's
> >a jewish name)
> >
> >***
> >***
> >
> >[please forward]
> >
> >The audio for the antisemitism talk at
> Bluestockings
> >is now up at:
> >
> >
> >The original description is below.
> -- 
> Michael Friedman
> Doctoral Candidate in Ecology, Evolutionary Biology
> and Behavior
> City University of New York
> Molecular Systematics Laboratory
> Department of Invertebrate Zoology
> American Museum of Natural History
> 79th Street at Central Park West
> New York, NY 10024
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